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Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by dijit »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #92

Microsoft has some of the worst developers in big tech. I worked with two principal engineers from Microsoft and I swore I would never work with anyone from Microsoft again.

I dislike microsoft irrationally, but I would find it hard to paint with such a broad brush.

Typescript & vscode are products microsoft produced and are beloved.

you can also find things in Windows that are just “better” than what we had in Linux land until very recently, namely IOCompletion Ports and the iSCSI stuff.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by rejectfinite »

I have seen this error before :) A lot here.

live.com is the "personal" Teams, the one pinned in Windows 11.

teams.microsoft.com is the enterprise "real" Teams, the first one they released.

They are different, why there is 2 downloads here. But HN loves to hate on Teams so... carry on :)

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/download-app

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by Ensorceled »

l_theanine wrote: post #150
Ensorceled wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize the "someone" in question is a mega corporation worth almost 2 TRILLION dollars with around 200K employees? One with a long history of anti-competitive behaviour and "mistakes"?

I've worked on contracts alongside MS employees and researchers in the past, and I've been pleasantly surprised. Three decades of experience in the field, and unfortunately, I don't have quite the brooding disdain for Microsoft. Their stock has lined my pockets, their employees have treated my respectfully when we've worked together, their products do what they're advertised to do. Something tells me you're under 40.

> Three decades of experience in the field, and unfortunately, I don't have quite the brooding disdain for Microsoft. Their stock has lined my pockets, their employees have treated my respectfully when we've worked together, their products do what they're advertised to do.

"They've lined my pockets and treated me nice so anything they do is all right by me."

> Something tells me you're under 40.

No. But during my three decades of experience, I actually grew up.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by 3np »

nforgerit wrote: post #210
judge2020 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing the UA only changes the behavior of the web server, so unless that's some block of untouchable code owned by some other team made to 'optimize' page loads for different clients, you're not doing yourself any favors by changing it in your browser; you should be loading up the client itself since you can't simulate the actual engine loading your web app differently. > If you'd rely on feature detection, your c…

1) If clients spoof their UA, they just get what they asked for. Couldn't care less. 2) With SSR you're actually making a case for sniffing the UA for the client's device class. Web apps might need to ship vastly different but overlapping code across different device classes. I'm not even talking about things that can be lazily loaded subsequently, I'm talking about the initial screen for given URL. 3) I'm _not_ goin…

How do you deal with guaranteeing this approach doesn't break users with non-default settings and preferences?

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by rejectfinite »

plorg wrote: post #56

My organization (which uses Teams) forcibly migrated all Firefox users to Edge a couple of weeks ago and uninstalled FF. They were citing incompatibility with some software and I assumed that meant the new ERP system being adopted by one of the larger departments.

The above link is for home Teams.

Your company should be using teams.microsoft.com ! :)

So your comment makes no sense.

We as IT admins may just want to keep track of Edge updates and extensions and not want someone running months old Firefox all sneaky like.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by rejectfinite »

wkat4242 wrote: post #72
plorg wrote: post #56

My organization (which uses Teams) forcibly migrated all Firefox users to Edge a couple of weeks ago and uninstalled FF. They were citing incompatibility with some software and I assumed that meant the new ERP system being adopted by one of the larger departments.

Microsoft is very heavily lobbying organizations to use edge as a standard browser right now. They're doing the same to us. It's really annoying. They're hell-bent on increasing marketshare no matter what.

Lobbying? Please describe

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by madeofpalk »

vlovich123 wrote: post #200
madeofpalk wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you detect whether the user's browser has a slow implementation of an API without actually freezing the browser for 8 seconds?

1. Pick the API that's most likely to be the fastest (based on marketshare) as the default to use. 2. Use `setInterval` to start your benchmark routine. 3. Benchmark function runs the API using a simple loop that will return quickly (i.e. within 2ms) using performance.now to evaluate. 4. When you obtain enough samples to indicate an alternate path is faster disable the benchmark function No freezing the browser. Shou…

Yeah or just test the user agent.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by 3np »

tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #104
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #62

It's 2023. Why are we still doing user agent detection? We're supposed to do feature detection. userAgent is deprecated. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Navigator/u...

Not always that simple. Where I work I need to provide a list of browsers customers can use, list those in the documentation and make sure QA test all of them and block any others. Bugs in the app can lead to big issues and telling the customers to use whatever browser suits them and "if it works it works" is not good enough. There are still large differences between browsers that feature existence is not same as fea…

> block any others.

I get all the rest but not this part. A banner should work plenty?

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by rejectfinite »

tredre3 wrote: post #215
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #18

https://teams.microsoft.com Firefox 110.0.1 on Linux, works perfectly What am I missing? The link in the submission points to https://teams.live.com/_#/unsupportedBrowser but https://teams.live.com/ works without issues

> What am I missing? It's blocked on Nightly. 110.0.1 is the current stable version, not nightly.

Again, cannot believe so many people are wrong about this.

teams.LIVE.com is the HOME version of TEAMS. - does NOT work on ANY FF version.

teams.MICROSOFT.com is the ENTERPRISE version of Teams. - WORKS on FF

But hey feel good when devs are wrong about basic shit. I have some job security then.

*again downvoted by mad incels

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