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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by natch »

mbreese wrote: post #83
thepasswordis wrote: post #21

It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

I have a feeling the differences between experiences is heavily influenced by where you are located. There is no way they are adequately able to train across all of the locations FSD is expected to be able to work.

Because of this, if Tesla solves it they are going to have an almost insurmountable moat.

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Post by lolinder »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #221
rootusrootus wrote: post #50

Meanwhile, the only actual L3 capable car is a Mercedes. Plenty of people will argue that AP is actually superior, but I don't think there's any way to say that for sure, given the tight constraints Mercedes has put on their driver assistance in order to lower the liability enough to make L3 not a bankruptcy event. For certain, however, they are more confident in their technology than Tesla is, otherwise Tesla would…

This is a PR stunt from Mercedes, because in practice their L3 system is not usually available.

It's available in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic on freeways, and they take liability for any accidents that happen while it's on. That's exactly the kind of system and guarantee that could really have a positive impact on someone's commute.

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Post by paxys »

jlv2 wrote: post #154

There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.

The majority of "actual recalls" is you taking your car to the dealership and them plugging into the diagnostic port and running one line of code. So this one is the same, just that Tesla is able to do it over the air.

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Post by panick21_ »

lattalayta wrote: post #19
jonny_eh wrote: post #2

Does a recall like this actually mean owners return their car to Tesla for modification? Or would it be an over-the-air update to remove FSD?

Seems like they should come up with a new phrase to distinguish between making modifications to the car at a dealer or service provider vs. a downloadable update, right?

Yes, this is just a historical term that nobody bothered to change.

We have to remember that Tesla was the first company to really do this and even today almost no other company does it. Most can update some parts of their system, but almost non have anywhere close to the integration Tesla has.

So for 99% of recalls, it is a physical recall, its just Tesla where most of the time it isn't.

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Post by [deleted] »

Reki wrote: post #197
facorreia wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but to be eligible for the return trip you'd first need to pay the loan you took to go there by working as an indentured servant and buying your oxygen and food at company-set prices, right?

What, you think people should be able to breathe for free?

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Post by mjrpes »

moremetadata wrote: post #148
bhauer wrote: post #35

As posted on the Tesla subreddit [1]: > Remedy: Tesla will release an over-the-air (OTA) software update, free of charge. Owner notification letters are expected to be mailed by April 15, 2023. Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752. Tesla's number for this recall is SB-23-00-001. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/113wltl/commen...

Why even bother with a letter? Surely the letter could be displayed on screen like most other tech displays some text of sorts before an update occurs. Are these letters designed to satisfy the legalese types, or is paper still required to make sure tech companies dont make post update changes to the letter contents?

They are required to. It's written in law: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/p...

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Post by [deleted] »

georgeburdell wrote: post #214
dshpala wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised how many people want a one-way ticket to Mars. I think Elon can make good money from that alone.

Isn’t Antarctica just Mars-lite? Do you think a mere treaty is hampering settlement there? That’s where my mind goes when people talk about colonizing another planet.

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by panick21_ »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #135
jonny_eh wrote: post #2

Does a recall like this actually mean owners return their car to Tesla for modification? Or would it be an over-the-air update to remove FSD?

Why does the media not make this clear in the headline?

Because it gets more clicks. Reading about how Tesla will lose lots of money because they have to recall 350k vehicles is juicy story, specially if its about removing a major feature, a slight software update to that feature is boring.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by jeffbee »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #215
idlewords wrote: post #141

I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

I don't think the one-way thing is real. SpaceX wants to re-use their vehicles. It wouldn't make sense to leave spacecraft on Mars.

Considering the energy cost of the return trip, it makes abundant sense.
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