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Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by btilly »

notch898a wrote: post #223
WalterBright wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WA state passed a law that says a cop cannot chase a suspect unless they committed a violent crime. This resulted in a surge of crimes where the suspect driver just flips off the police and drive off. Common crimes resulting from this: 1. catalytic converter thefts 2. thieves steal a car, ram it into a store, loot the store, drive off in another stolen car

Um if a person drives a car into an occupied structure with people is that not violent? If you drove into the police station the officers would say they feared for their lives and open fire.

Presumably they do it at night when nobody is around to be hurt. And hopefully nobody reports it to police in time.

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Post by UtopiaPunk »

Accujack wrote: post #181
refuse wrote: post #5

I've heard about this, but it is surprising how little coverage it gets compared to other things. If you were to tally up how much airtime each news story gets, plotted against the general tone of the coverage, you'd probably come up with something resembling the news room agenda (you'd also have to weigh it against other stories developing at around the same time). I have to wonder why a story of environmental disas…

I wonder about who is pushing narratives about this vs. the balloons in an attempt to distract the public, but I can explain why the derailment isn't much of a story. It's because it's being handled fairly well. There is a cloud of smoke that's scaring people, but it's "ordinary" smoke. There's no environmental apocalypse that's going to make that town "uninhabitable". There will be after effects from everything asso…

There are various reports of animals in the area getting sick or dying in unnatural ways, so that is unsettling. And there's also the incident where a journalist who was trying to cover the incident was arrested. So it doesn't seem like it is being handled well, imo.

Lots of discussion is occurring on Twitter, so people seem interested. The news coverage of it just seems superficial. Like, it's not zero, but they seem to be doing the bare minimum on a story where lots of people want answers. Give us the journalism so we can hold people accountable instead of spinning up conspiracies.

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Post by DangitBobby »

King-Aaron wrote: post #77
Johnny555 wrote: post #61

One conspiracy theory floating around is that the UFO shoot downs came at a fortuitous time to keep this chemical spill off the front page.

Yes, and it's being mostly spread by people who are fixated on conspiracies.

A very convenient line of reasoning for the conspirators ;)

What would a legitimate cover up conspiracy actually look like?

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Post by notch898a »

s5300 wrote: post #221
notch898a wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The federal conditions that bring about the rail lines as they are today have more voting influence from California than they do from Ohio.

The greater Los Angeles metro area is home to more than 20 million people. We have 2 senators. Please tell me the population of the entire MidWest & also how many senators they have. Anyways, getting overtly political at this point- will excuse myself from further discussion.

You said 'vote' 4 times and spoke about politics and rebuke about getting overtly political when I rebut? That's classic friend.

California has 55 electoral votes in the presidential election and 52 seats in the house. That's something like 3x Ohio for each. The rail lines are overwhelmingly dictated by federal law and influence and not by relatively miniscule number of folks in rural Ohio. Your statements in that context are quite frankly absolutely baffling.

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Post by humaniania »

refuse wrote: post #5

I've heard about this, but it is surprising how little coverage it gets compared to other things. If you were to tally up how much airtime each news story gets, plotted against the general tone of the coverage, you'd probably come up with something resembling the news room agenda (you'd also have to weigh it against other stories developing at around the same time). I have to wonder why a story of environmental disas…

Instead of speculating about what the tally might look like and making assumptions based on your guesses maybe you should get real data to validate your hypothesis?

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Post by jahewson »

refuse wrote: post #5

I've heard about this, but it is surprising how little coverage it gets compared to other things. If you were to tally up how much airtime each news story gets, plotted against the general tone of the coverage, you'd probably come up with something resembling the news room agenda (you'd also have to weigh it against other stories developing at around the same time). I have to wonder why a story of environmental disas…

Imagine you’re a reporter, do you want to rush down to the toxic accident nobody is correctly accessing or containing? Didn’t think so.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by r85804306610 »

s5300 wrote: post #202
sbaiddn wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I’m sitting here, in the West Coast sun, laughing about this. " Myself, I'll try not to laugh when millions of people stupid enough to live on the San Andreas fault line relocate into the ocean overnight. Out of a misplaced sense of unrequited empathy.

Rural Ohio is my home, and I will one day come back if I have the money to make meaningful change amongst its downtrodden & underprivileged, or if they’ve managed to sort things for the better themselves. I’m currently living the life of an absolute pauper on the West Coast - I could have magnitudes of a much nicer living back home But, You can’t reason with unreasonable people, which is what the majority of rural Oh…

it would make sense for you, a midwest defector, to be willing to make concessions for your birthplace, but i don't think you speak for the coastal america. on the other hand the minstrel show midwesterns that you selected to represent the entire region wouldn't have any connection to the west coast, if not feel outright hostility. the hostility might have more to do with cultural and political divide that you yourself is expressing, than it does with the midwestern capacity for compassion. i am a total outsider to the region, but i've seen about as many church mission trips to help the needy as i've met ngo activists in cities, which necessarily makes for a much larger proportion of people.

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Post by SilasX »

r85804306610 wrote: post #161
nilespotter wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> union workers warning about this 2 months ago First I've heard that, got a reference?

from another thread, https://time.com/6238361/joe-biden-rail-strike-illegal/

Can you quote the part where union leaders are warning about something in the way the grandparent describes? I’m not seeing it.

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Post by ChickenNugger »

s5300 wrote: post #226
ChickenNugger wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also from Appalachia. But just across the river in WV. > from what I’ve heard but not completely personally confirmed, it’s already contaminating downstream into the Ohio river. As someone who grew up in the town both The Devil We Know (Documentary on Netflix) and Dark Waters (loosely based on real events) are about - and the bizarre fillings to prove it - when it was happening to the people living there, this is…

>> Appalachia goes all the way up into NY state, homie. Given the fact you’ve presumed I’m not able to make factual assertions about geographically bounded regions, I’m not going to give the effort to seriously read the rest of your reply. Northern Ohio is not Appalachia, outside of one eastern most county. Southern-Eastern Ohio mostly is. Oh, yeah - if you’re right over the river, 20 years of my life is right next t…

I was trying to be emotionally inclusive, not sarcastic. "Homie" was what we called people when being nice where and when I grew up. It's disappointing that this is the only point you focused on.

>Perhaps you know the route towards your river crossing I have to take that is a few strung out miles of completely crumbling mobile homes & the smell of natural gas/sulfur that stings your nostrils when rolling down your car windows.

Yes, it's called generational poverty. I escaped by going deeply into debt to pay for a degree from a good school. Many in the area have big stars on their house indicating a military enlistee. I'm not sure what point you're driving at here.

>Thankfully I was lucky enough to not grow up in that exact zone. Cannot imagine the cognitive deficits a childhood of breathing that in causes.

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by vGPU »

thepasswordis wrote: post #228

To those in the meta talking about how people are talking about this: congratulations on being extremely online. As of now: https://www.cnn.com/ (ctrl-f 'ohio' - 0 results / 'trump' 2 results) https://www.foxnews.com/ (ctrl-f 'ohio' - 1 result / 'trump' 2 results) https://www.nytimes.com/ (ctrl-f 'ohio' - 0 results / 'trump' 4 results) https://www.msnbc.com/ (ctrl-f 'ohio' - 2 results / 'trump' 9 results!)

It almost feels like the bots are out in force to gaslight us. I’ve seen very little coverage of the topic and didn’t find out about it until several days after it happened, and yet almost every single comment on these threads is “everyone knows, shut up already, oh look ufo/drumpf/football”.
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