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Re: How a heat pump works

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Seems like OP just performed a stress test on his website as he is the "Webmaster of https://hvac-learning.com an HVAC elearning website"[1]. Hopefully you can figure out something! Thank you for educating about such technology! [1] from WatchdogReset's profile about

I am sorry for the inconvenience. I am still learning how to build a nice and efficient website. I will analyze what happened and try to fix and enhance !

Re: How a heat pump works

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An overlooked benefit is that they actually improve comfort over a boiler in a dry climate, so if you live somewhere with low humidity they help keep the air less dry. They also give you heating and cooling.. for places that don’t have Air Conditioning it’s a worthwhile upgrade.

Sorry but this is incorrect. Boilers aka hydronic heat is usually delivered through baseboard fin-tube or hot water radiators. These heat mostly through convection with some radiation. Any humidity in the house is retained. Forced air heats the air and removes humidity absent a humidifier.

Forced air doesn't remove humidity from the air either. Humidity is lost through air leakage in homes. Since the air outside had less absolute humidity in the air then humidity will drop due to air leakage. Most measurements of humidity is relative humidity though which changes with air temperature. So any system that heats air will reduce relative humidity.

Re: How a heat pump works

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I like his videos, but I don't trust his numbers in this one. He shows a COP of ~1 when it's 10 degrees out. These are the easiest possible conditions for the HP, and where all the specs show the highest COP. His graph showing the HP is running equal to a baseboard heater seems very suspect.

Are you thinking 10 degrees Celsius? I think all his numbers are Fahrenheit.

He's located in NB, so I assumed it was Celsius. To check I just compared them to the Environment Canada data it seems to match pretty close for NB in Celsius.

Re: How a heat pump works

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An overlooked benefit is that they actually improve comfort over a boiler in a dry climate, so if you live somewhere with low humidity they help keep the air less dry. They also give you heating and cooling.. for places that don’t have Air Conditioning it’s a worthwhile upgrade.

Sorry but this is incorrect. Boilers aka hydronic heat is usually delivered through baseboard fin-tube or hot water radiators. These heat mostly through convection with some radiation. Any humidity in the house is retained. Forced air heats the air and removes humidity absent a humidifier.

Neither removes humidity, only AC does that. All types of heating lower relative humidity by increasing the temperature of the air.

Re: How a heat pump works

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What is going on? Is there a global push to get everyone to switch to heat pumps. It seems that there is heat pump content everywhere. Clearly there is a push. I understand that its for climate benefits but it feels very coordinated. edit: didn't realize the attention I would get. Let me add someone answered my question -- a good product market fit and people talking is probably where the push came from. That said HV…

Heat pumps are the opposite of AC. AC industry is behind this for sure. It is like a paid PR campaign. It is not more economical then gas. So now gas is going to be punished for factors X,Y,Z. It is coordinated. I wish there is more investigative research into who and why they are doing this.

For the record, I am only trying to make my elearning website more known. There is plenty of other HVAC subject that I would like to share. It's just that Heat Pump where for me an interesting topics to get into the subject but you can have a look at other free courses.

Re: How a heat pump works

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post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you thinking 10 degrees Celsius? I think all his numbers are Fahrenheit.

He's located in NB, so I assumed it was Celsius. To check I just compared them to the Environment Canada data it seems to match pretty close for NB in Celsius.

Ah, yeah. I thought I saw some "60s" and so forth on one of the graphs, but I may have read it wrong in the moment.

Re: How a heat pump works

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It's not directly related to the recent spike in prices, especially considering that a heat pump installation is very expensive in itself and potentially disruptive. Rather, it's a combination wanting to get to net zero, so no emissions, with the big problem of generating enough green electricity. A heat pump system has no emissions and consumes much less electricity than an electric boiler/electric heater.

They are also kind of a 2 in 1 appliance, in that they can run in reverse and cool your home, and are much more efficient at that than traditional ACs. In the US where AC is common, summer is generally peak electricity usage. I suspect this will become true in Europe as well with the heatwaves becoming a regular occurrence.

> they can run in reverse and cool your home, and are much more efficient at that than traditional ACs.

I'd love to see a source on that. There is very little technological difference between an air conditioner and a heat pump aside from refrigerant reversing valves that allow changing which end is the condenser and which the evaporator.

Re: How a heat pump works

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Technology Connections has a good video on heat pumps. (Actually several of them, I link the newest one.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFEHFsO-XSI

He does, but he omits a lot of important considerations that make heat pumps impractical for normal Americans. If he touches on them, it's briefly - if at all, e.g.: - More expensive units, and more expensive to run power wise. It's always difficult to get adoption of new technology that's "better" but more expensive to buy & repair - to the point where RoI may never happen. - Power grid implications during very low/…

The alternative heat point is interesting, you don't need to be able to heat your entire house with alternative heat for extended periods of time. If properly designed, 99% of the hours of the year should be warm enough for the heat pump to provide 100% to heat and the remaining hours can be made up with a small space heater or a fire or something else minimal.

Re: How a heat pump works

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Definitely a lot of posts about heat pumps on HN recently that this topic has piqued my interest but only to the point that I want to know if I can install one in my home. Are there any legit resources out there that can help me understand if heat pump is a right choice for my home based on Geo, type of home, sqft and other factors to consider before replacing current systems (two ACs and two furnaces?)

Generally, they can work anywhere in the continental US. (Assuming you live in the US.) If you're in northern NH, NY, VT, or Maine, you might want to keep your gas system as a backup. (New homes tend to have electric backup, but if you have an older home they just keep your furnace as backup.) I have a 3000 sqft house in MA with a heat pump as my primary heat, and an electric strip as backup. The heat pump goes into…

Around Vancouver our heat pump has performed adequately even down to -15C/5F. This may be related to it being a deep ground loop geothermal setup (vertical instead of horizontal), and the type of building (concrete). We do have a gas fireplace as backup, but have not needed it at the temperatures we see in this corner of the world.

Re: How a heat pump works

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post #7

What is going on? Is there a global push to get everyone to switch to heat pumps. It seems that there is heat pump content everywhere. Clearly there is a push. I understand that its for climate benefits but it feels very coordinated. edit: didn't realize the attention I would get. Let me add someone answered my question -- a good product market fit and people talking is probably where the push came from. That said HV…

It would be great if this was coordinated. Ideas that are good for people usually don't get a very intelligent effort promoting them compared to really bad ideas that make a few people really rich.
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