Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years

Post by orf » Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 2:01 AM UTC

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I suspect the initial negative take on the license change was correct, and this is the dying gasp of the company. It's just taking longer than expected to replace Docker Desktop. But I am seeing a lot of progress on Podman and Rancher and a few others, and some of the larger tech companies are also building in-house replacements. A lot of the people who had to scramble to find a replacement are not happy about it. In…

What gets me about this is the math doesn't make any sense. Docker charges $10/developer/month. Those developers are paid $150k+/yr, fully loaded to the company (insurance, taxes, accounting, etc) is probably double that, but call it $250k/yr to be nice. You take 3 developers and have them spend a quarter on replacing Docker Desktop, that's nearly $200k in developer costs spent replacing a tool that's gonna cost your…

Post by zy0n911 » Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 2:24 AM UTC

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How do you achieve 30Gbps?

Great question! I wrote a new userspace network proxy/stack in Go, similar to Docker's VPNKit and built it with performance in mind at all levels. What makes it fast is support for modern NIC features that improve performance significantly, similar to those supported by Apple's in-kernel NAT (vmnet) but implemented in userspace. I've made changes to the guest kernel to implement these while working around limitations…

Post by rglullis » Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 2:31 AM UTC

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What gets me about this is the math doesn't make any sense. Docker charges $10/developer/month. Those developers are paid $150k+/yr, fully loaded to the company (insurance, taxes, accounting, etc) is probably double that, but call it $250k/yr to be nice. You take 3 developers and have them spend a quarter on replacing Docker Desktop, that's nearly $200k in developer costs spent replacing a tool that's gonna cost your…

Amen. This is why I don’t want to sell to developers. “Here’s a solution that will save you hours every month, it’s only $9 p/m.” “$9 p/m???” - asked a developer choking on their avocado toast “That’s the same price as Spotify! Meh, I can develop the same thing myself in 2 weeks.” 2 months later. "Well, it's almost done. At least I won't be wasting $9 p/m."

Post by figassis » Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 2:36 AM UTC

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For my company which went from its internal hand rolled ticketing system to Jira, Azure, etc. the big issue is that our hand rolled system, even though it had limited features, was significantly more suited to our needs. It was much faster, had the exact fields we needed, and the exact workflow we wanted. It provided email alerts using the rules thst made sense for us and did I mention it was ridiculously faster? We…

Sometimes it’s better to just change your workflow to match the tool if that avoids you having to build and maintain your own ticketing system

Post by alanfranz » Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 3:33 AM UTC

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A big mistake with this math is that globally developers are not paid anywhere close to 250k/yr even fully loaded for the company. In my country in Europe it's closer to 60k/yr fully loaded. There is cheaper. Also most companies aren't gonna build something from scratch, they are going to use something else that is also available. That being said this type of exercise is good to show because many managers do not do i…

Man they're really screwing developers over in Europe. That's what they earn in the third world.