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Post by zmibes »

Chinjut wrote: post #206
nailer wrote: post #176

Hrm I’m not sure this is the hypocrisy HN thinks it is. Musk wanted to stop biased moderation. He’s done so. He wanted what twitter has done previously in terms of biased moderation to be public. He’s done so. He wanted journalists to be under the same rules as other content creators. He’s done so. Is he obliged to let people promote competitors on Twitter?

If he wishes to support free speech, as he so often claims, then yes, that carries that obligation. But he clearly does not actually care about free speech.

Any non-abserd definition of free speech concerns the expression of ideas rather than allowing hyperlinks to competitor platforms. I don't see this as a violation of free speech at all

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Post by jacquesm »

kris-s wrote: post #160

Is Elon Musk this century's Howard Hughes?

Quite possibly much worse but a bit too early to tell. It's getting there though. And I feel some sympathy for Hughes, none for Elon. Hughes was never outright malicious though probably lots of what he did had a net negative effect.

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Post by faeriechangling »

tlogan wrote: post #117
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #36

Ah damn, I hoped for a fair experiment to demonstrate absordity of total free speech, but istead we got bog standard hypocracy! Boo! If you are caught wondering why some people still support Elon - in 'true conservative' society, like Russia or Saudi states, hypocracy is means of demonstrating hierarchy. So as a leader, you show that you are dominant by demonstrating that rules don't apply to you. That makes you even…

I genuinely believed that he would try to allow more free speech on Twitter. There was a small chance that the experiment will succeed. I guess he never wanted that: he just lied. But why?

>he just lied. But why?

People are gullible. It was pointed out by many parties the various ways he had suppressed the speech of others over the years, especially of his workers. Yet just because Elon Musk said he was for free speech, people believed him. Yet it would be unreasonable to expect somebody who doesn't especially value speech in the workplace to make twitter more pro-speech. Musk is not some civil libertarian.

I think honestly the history of social media is sites which started out with close to a policy of free speech absolutism slowly changing as cracks appeared. Jack Dorsey is gone, Aaron Schwartz is dead, Zuckerberg is in decline. The experiment already happened and speech gradually became more and more curtailed.

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Post by pjc50 »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #82
choult wrote: post #19

"Thin-skinned narcissist buys criticism machine." This is not "free speech absolutism" in the slightest. It's not even business-savvy. Elon's mask has truly cracked, and he proves he is nothing but a febrile mind who has bought into his own hype.

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Depending on what people mean by "socialism", a label so heavily overloaded it could refer to anything from mild social democracy to full communism, you're not going to get better free speech.

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Post by est31 »

KarlKemp wrote: post #121
est31 wrote: post #108

When MS bought github many people moved to gitlab and started to advertise their gitlab IDs. I too put my gitlab in there. But ultimately, gitlab didn't catch on on a permanent basis: most devs still are on github, thanks to network effects. People removed their gitlab mentions. I feel the same with the "find me on mastodon" twitter bios: people will realize that only 50 of their thousands of followers can be found o…

The obvious difference is that Github didn’t immediately start spiraling the drain in the most pathetic manner possible.

The worst is yet to come, I'm staying tuned if he really bans all those mastodon accounts. It's one thing to institute a policy and then remove it again once you realize that people are not following it. It's another thing to follow through with it.

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Post by jimbob45 »

Seems like a Door in the Face gambit where someone makes a big ask, gets rejected, and then knows they will face excellent odds of their second, smaller request getting accepted.

I’m guessing this policy stays up a week before FB/Instagram are removed from the list.

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Post by jlundberg »

kristianc wrote: post #202
strangattractor wrote: post #169

There is no money is promoting free speech or at least not the kind of money Twitter needs to pay back it's investors and creditors. There have been multiple poor business decisions since the buyout. The "burn it the ground and start over mentality" is effectively placing the company in a startup position. Given the risk of startups it would have likely been cheaper/smarter to start a new company than pursue a levera…

There’s been some speculation he is trying to build an Everything app a-la WeChat in China. Aside from the fact that the everything app concept has never really worked outside China, and certainly won’t fly with the EU — he probably would have been better starting it from zero. I’m pretty sure if he could have got out of the Twitter acquisition he would have.

And not only speculation, he tweeted this in October 2022:

”Buying Twitter is an accelerant to creating X, the everything app”

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