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US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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The funding does seem miniscule given we spend 100x more on funding military excursions in the name of energy security

Is the bottleneck for fusion money though?

money is always the bottleneck in some sense. There are diminishing returns but in general more money will make it happen faster.

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Maybe I missed it but it's not a net positive output. From the article, the implication it is:

"LLNL’s experiment surpassed the fusion threshold by delivering 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, resulting in 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output"

From newscientist, the same info followed by a rider:

"generated a power output of 3.15 megajoules from a laser power output of 2.05 megajoules – a gain of around 150 per cent. However, this is far outweighed by the roughly 300 megajoules drawn from the electrical grid to power the lasers in the first place"

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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I know this is from the DOE but is this real real or this is wormhole "real"?

It's not like the "wormhole" thing where what was produced isn't really what can plausibly be described as a wormhole. In this case, fusion really did happen, and the amount of energy produced by the fusion reaction was about half again what the energy put into the fusion reaction was. That said, there are two pretty important caveats about how big a deal it is macroscopically: 1. In order to have useful fusion power…

> 2. This is from an inertial confinement approach to fusion. Unlike the magnetic confinement approaches that we often hear about, this approach doesn't really create a continuously hot, spatially constrained bit of plasma that can then be used to heat things up -- it produces more like a small but intense explosion. There are real doubts about whether you can, even with very favorable energy-out ratios, industrialize that into an actual power plant. It's more challenging to harvest energy from an explosion than it is to harvest energy from a bunch of plasma flowing in a circle.

Thank you, that is the kind of caveat I was expecting.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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It’s potentially just a much better version of fission. Fusion won’t cause a runaway reaction — in fact it’s brutally difficult to get it to react at all, hence why this is an achievement. It also doesn’t use materials that can be used for a bomb, again unlike fission. As a result it has the potential to be cheaper to implement, cheaper to fuel, with no meltdown risk.

Depending on the scale and reactor design, we have really good examples of run away fusion reactions. Run away reactions are easy, controlled ones are hard. And whilst I won’t doubt that if fusion ever becomes commercially viable the reactors would be walk away safe it doesn’t mean that you don’t need to account for that in your design.

What is an example of a run away fusion reaction?

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Who are our modern J. Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, Richard Feynman, Edward Teller, John Von Neumann, and Stanislaw Ulam?

> Who are our modern J. Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, Richard Feynman, Edward Teller, John Von Neumann, and Stanislaw Ulam? they're working on getting you to click on an ad

Hear hear!

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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Because sustainable positive energy out has never been achieved before in 60 years of research. This is gigantic. It’s potential to decarbonize the world is massive, and now it became a whole lot less theoretical. It’s an incredible milestone, not a solved problem.

That's a circular argument. It's big because the people doing it call it big. Why should I, an outsider, care about their internal goals, their egoes, or their status in their field? What does it do or imply for me?

To achieve fusion for power production, you need more output than input. For 60+ years this hasn’t been achieved in a replicated fashion. Now it has, and it’s 50% more power rather than 0.1% more power as was sometimes shown for 2 nanoseconds before. So now we know fusion for power is possible. If it can be scaled successfully (now likely not an if anymore, but a function of time), then we have the ability to have clean and safe energy 24/7. That would help mitigate the worst of climate change, and if cheap, turbocharge the entire economy.

What’s the circle or not big milestone here?

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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The B-21 isn't unmanned, the nuclear-capable B-2 already existed, and we've had fusion bombs since the 1950s.

The B-21 is stated to be capable of uncrewed operation.

It's capable of maybe later on being made uncrewed.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/12/03/air-force-rev...

> The service has not fully delivered on, or explained what, that unmanned concept or capability would look like. Defense experts told Military.com prior to the rollout that it is unlikely we’d see a fully autonomous bomber anywhere in the near future.

They also canceled the drone wingman:

> In 2021, Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall publicly discussed the idea of having a drone counterpart to the B-21 that would essentially act as a wingman alongside the bomber. But Kendall later backtracked, telling Breaking Defense in July that the concept was not as “cost-effective” and “less attractive” than previously thought.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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> LLNL’s experiment surpassed the fusion threshold by delivering 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, resulting in 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output, demonstrating for the first time a most fundamental science basis for inertial fusion energy (IFE) Yesterday, everyone was complaining about the 2.2:2.0 ratio, but now we're working with 3.15:2.05. With modern lasers, that'd be a total Q of 0.375 assuming 100% ef…

This is a stupid question but I don't know anything about fusion: How is it possible for X energy to create X+Y energy in output? Doesn't that violate some fundamental law of physics?

I think you should think of it as “this lumber only needs 1 match to light it on fire while that lumber requires 10 matches to get started.”
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