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Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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Another possible causal factor is just that labor is weak in the US, and thus is unable to win sick days from their employers AND is unable to convince congress to pass universal sick days either. If that’s the case (I’m biased to say yes) these rail workers really need to strike. Voting for blues obviously isn’t cutting it.

Well, all of the blues voted yes, so its hard to say that red is the solution for these workers

The blues also put forward the paid sick leave as a separate bill rather than putting them together. That's no coincidence, but a political strategy.

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Hey, something maybe for one here I can shed some light on, for those who want a little more than the article gives. ;) I am a supervisor on a commuter rail, and in this respect they operate in a similar fashion. Like any other business, profits are key. Someone figures out staffing. Pretty much cut and dry. For a line from terminal A to B, there is one train per hour in each direction, 48 trains in a day. We need fo…

I'm surprised you even have drivers available, with those work conditions I'm not sure why anyone would apply > If no crew is available at all, then the train doesn't run. Cool, then treat them better before they all walk out.

> I'm surprised you even have drivers available, with those work conditions I'm not sure why anyone would apply

Because there are many people for whom that job is extremely well-paid compared to other options they have available. And people put up with tons of shitty situations when they don't really feel they have an alternative.

This song from 1928 indicates this is not a new problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8-PZFPCs3g

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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When you design systems so "efficiently" that there is no slack, you increase their working efficiency, but also their fragility. We (in America) saw the costs of this "just in time" slackless logistics in the economic reboot as we rebounded from the first waves of COVID: logjams at the ports. Good system design allows for the absorption of interstitial disruptions. There's a reason tall buildings sway in the wind; i…

I think covid and the silicon shortage has shown us how JIT manufacturing completely falls apart if there's a delay in just one of your components.

The problem is that the opposite of JIT can also "completely fall apart" with potentially even longer delays, plus loss of money.

One thing people don't generally know is that as developed in Japan it's a quality control system. If a jig at a supplier gets out of alignment and parts made with it are out of spec and not noticed until assembly, you're better off with a feedback loop measured in hours instead of months.

COVID and the silicon shortage ... I'm not even sure JIT has any relevance, one of the biggest problems in the US was car makers canceling orders when as you could easily predict from historical plague patterns the demand for cars would go up as people left cities. Demand for a whole bunch of things changed due to the secular changes in the economy like work from home, JIT's shorter feedback loop might even help with that.

But chips are indeed one thing that shouldn't be done in JIT style. They inherently take a long time to make and are relatively easy to test. Toyoda was said to have changed their inventory strategy for them after the disruptions of the earthquake and tsunami.

And then there are disruptions like a fire taking out a fab line, I remember this happening in Japan for embedded type chips. Unlikely any relevant inventory policy would save you from that especially if there's an increase in demand where stockpiling won't save you.

The industry can't even in theory surge old nodes for which the equipment is no longer manufactured. We hear a not uncommon pattern is that they'll just suddenly stop making chips forever because they can no longer fix a critical machine.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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Rail companies are getting the blame here, but the real problem is that paid leave isn't a statutory employment right protected by law. Here in the UK full time employees are entitled to 28 day paid annual leave, although I have work for companies which offer more, while pay is seperate.

Another possible causal factor is just that labor is weak in the US, and thus is unable to win sick days from their employers AND is unable to convince congress to pass universal sick days either. If that’s the case (I’m biased to say yes) these rail workers really need to strike. Voting for blues obviously isn’t cutting it.

This would be a more reasonable critique if the Democrats had not been the minority party in the US Senate from 2012-2020. For the last 2 years they only have 51-50 tie breaking lead in the Senate which give a very slim margin to get anything done. I'm sure the Democrats could do more but it is a bit unfair to blame them for the actions/inactions of their (frequently more powerful) rivals.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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When you design systems so "efficiently" that there is no slack, you increase their working efficiency, but also their fragility. We (in America) saw the costs of this "just in time" slackless logistics in the economic reboot as we rebounded from the first waves of COVID: logjams at the ports. Good system design allows for the absorption of interstitial disruptions. There's a reason tall buildings sway in the wind; i…

I think covid and the silicon shortage has shown us how JIT manufacturing completely falls apart if there's a delay in just one of your components.

If I remember right (and this may be apocryphal), even Toyota didn't go all-in on JIT manufacturing when they were pioneering it -- they put up strict guidelines (eg: suppliers had to be with in a certain distance and have multi-modal transit links) to try to make the system resilient against known possible disruptions.

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They are, actually. The PUCT has historically done a great job. But, legislation (outside PUCT) has allowed the utility (generators and transmission/distribution asset owners) to cut the system to the bone and defer maintenance and expansion despite a new city's worth of people (~100k) relocating each month to Texas.

Texas’s population is not increasing by 100k/month. Sure, people may be flocking there but actual population growth is less than half that rate.

50k per month is still 600k/year! The point remains that the population growth (which is known and anticipated) is not having utility growth to match.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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I live on the east coast of the US and have only been to the UK twice, but I was blown away at the efficiency and relative cleanliness of the London and surrounding area rail systems.

Lots of things change when your country is an island the size of Mississippi.

It gets more expensive to import the materials to make railways?

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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I thought everybody learned that JIT is bad after 9/11. It seems like the More Bad Advice crowd wants to keep living in a fantasy world.

Interesting; I had not heard that. What specifically about 9/11 do you allege led to the perception that JIT is bad? Looking back, I don't see an obvious connection to either logistics or manufacturing, but I am definitely curious.

It was a while back, but I do remember airlines shut down. I think cargo flights got cancelled.

It was not as bad as the COVID lockdowns, but at the time the changes were pretty drastic.

A lot of overhead was added for security. Now you need ID to get into a lot of places you did not need before. For example: my uncle was a UPS driver, and he said before 9/11 people just saw the uniform and waved him through. Bottom line, I think 9/11 showed there was no slack capacity, and a lot of companies struggled. I guess companies just adjusted to the new reality.

I do remember reading articles/web pages questioning JIT, and stating that if there was more slack capacity adjusting would have been easier, although I cannot think of any specific URLs/writers at the moment.

I am just a software grunt, but I feel like I have seen a similar dynamic in every job/project I have been on. Management keeps yacking about innovation, and pushing more work on us, while dismissing the notion that more time and/or more people would make everyone's lives a lot easier.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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The proposal to add seven sick days passed the House and got a majority in the Senate, mostly (though not quite exclusively) ‘blues’. It’s not who unions are voting for that’s the problem, it’s the filibuster.

The "blues" created the legislation & forced the workers to accept a shitty contract with no sick days. They could easily have refused to vote for it and let the strike happen w/o real sick days.

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Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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For context: UK software developers are paid 50% less than US developers. I would rather keep my money.

Software developers also get all those benefits. Whenever people talk about how terrible working in the US is- almost none of that applies to software. You get plenty of time off, sick days are a non issue, work remote if you don’t feel like going in, health care insurance is free/cheap and good, etc

What? I had to work for a decade until I had anything close to the benefits offered by default in EU or UK, and even then I had to take a lower paying position to work for a company that offered decent work/life balance.

Even still, I think I had 2 days off when my child was born before I ran out of paid "sick" days and had to go to work.

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