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Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Because NVidia works in Linux. Intel isn't really accelerated, and AMD is buggy and doesn't do GPU compute acceleration terribly well.

This is completely false. Modern Nvidia cards on linux can barely get pixels on the screen and does not have power saving modes.

I'm using an NVidia card right now for very high end video work. It works great.

Why would I want power saving modes?

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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> Even offerings like these and those from System76 are actually made largely based on designs made to run Windows and adapted later. System76 does get complete hardware specs from the chipset manufacturer, though, and their cooperation in porting an open-source firmware to the motherboard. They run Coreboot instead of the proprietary OEM UEFIs, and this has let them achieve some nice things in power management (incl…

I haven't owned a System76 laptop personally, but I really like what they have done in theory. I've actually been waiting largely because I'm interested to see what they put out when they start fabbing their own laptops.

I agree! The desktops they've built themselves are wonderfully designed, if rather expensive. I'm looking forward to the first laptop they make where they designed the whole thing.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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>Install TLP, uninstall thermald, and make sure turbo mode is off (it's on by default in Linux - probably applies to Intel only). Sorry, but that's not a good argument in favor of Linux when basic power management is not part of the OS and you need to set it up yourself manually. Can you imagine Microsoft or Apple shipping their OSs without power management? I need an OS to work out of the box so I can get to work/en…

> Sorry, but that's not a good argument in favor of Linux when basic power management is not part of the OS and you need to set it up yourself manually. Can you imagine Microsoft or Apple shipping their OSs without power management? I need an OS to work out of the box so I can get to work/entertainment, not a hobby to tinker with. I still enjoy tinkering with Linux but it should be only when I want-to, not a need-to.…

>Once again you shouldn't have to tinker with that stuff on any sane distro.

OK, the thing is that even on sane distros, if you don't tinker them, out of the box, they have less battery life than on Windows on many machines. Out of the box Linux is just not that great with battery life.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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I work for a smartphone and found that tuning for the battery is hard, labor intensive work. And you also need awareness from the app developer whose apps do use the battery. Plus you need a lot of users to justify these efforts to be get paid. It's not technical superiority but more about the economy of scale. I bet Linux is much more energy efficient in datacenters than Windows because of this reason.

you work for a smartphone?

It's the great philosophical question of our time. Do our smartphones work for us or do we work for our smartphones?

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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100% this. I'm using a Windows notebook at work, and I cannot go for a single week without running into some random window management bug. Despite it being the origin of its name, Windows is actually really bad at windows stuff. And that's before we get into intentionally missing features like focus-on-hover.

> I'm using a Windows notebook at work, and I cannot go for a single week without running into some random window management bug Could you please share some details on all these Windows GUI bugs?

From this week:

1. Every once in a while, when I move a browser tab into a new window, the window spawns entirely off screen. At least that's what I think. It's completely invisible, but I can focus it and bring up the Alt-Space menu, which shows up in a random screen corner. I can start moving it, but it never moves into view. I just cannot get a hold of it. Only fix is to close the window and try to get back to the open webpage manually. It feels like this happens most often with Youtube tabs where a video is playing.

2. I have FancyZones set up (using PowerToys, i.e. an official MS tool). When a window is snapped to one of these zones, and I minimize it and bring it up again, there is a chance that it has a baffling white border around it that sticks with it while resizing. Only fix is to maximize the window, then snap it back into the zone.

3. Something that I've seen from time to time with different applications (when it's with my browser, it may be related to 1, but it happens with e.g. notepad too): There is a chance that new windows open up in just the most baffling geometries. For example, Notepad opening up at ~6000px width, stretching across most of my two screens' combined width. Or, particularly irritating, browser windows coming up at what must be ~10000px width and height, with the top way above the top edge of either screen, so I can only use Alt-Space -> Maximize to grab a hold of it.

4. Windows spawning on one screen, but using DPI ratio of the other screen, so either cartoonishly small or cartoonishly large. The one that comes to mind the most is the Outlook calendar reminder popup, but I think I've seen other apps suffering from this too.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Interesting comment regarding the window manager, I had to use a Mac at work recently and apparently one has to use 3rd party tools to be able to snap windows. Coming from KDE Plasma I found this astonishing.

Important note, when I said "Window manager" I was actually bitching about the stupidity of X and Wayland both being pretty bad, missing functionality, or specifically for X, being so old the original ideas and ideology it was built with don't even make sense anymore. I guess that's "Windowing system" instead? Either way, I shouldn't have to know anything about any of that to use a damn computer. It should be a tool,…

Wayland is not equivalent to X Server technically, X usually refers to the Xorg implementation whereas Wayland is a protocol with multiple implementations, i.e. by KDE, GNOME, Sway etc.

My experience with Wayland has been very solid within the last year or so I've been on it exclusively but it's definitely implementation dependent. You're right you shouldn't have to know about these things and I certainly get the sense that's the goal. I mean one disadvantage of a system being developed in the open is that things aren't necessarily 'released' as such when 'ready'. They're in the open for people to adopt/or not, many times still rapidly evolving.

I value this approach but it's certainly not for everyone.

> It should be a tool, not a lifestyle or ideology.

That's...a very subjective statement? I think free software definitely has its place as an ideology if you will, if people want to live by it and are willing to put with the downsides why not? Some people are in it to preserve general purpose computing for the next generation let's say. I see that as completely valid since nobody forces you to use their output.

But given how expensive the Apple ecosystem is, I would certainly not expect things like having to know that poll() will not work correctly after an update[1], if it's indeed just a tool.

Plenty of regular people have to get at least somewhat familiar with the Windows Registry for example.

Point is, in this industry these sorts of things happen and so you do end up having to know about certain internal inner workings of the system you're working on one way or another. It's obviously more of a case on a system developed in the open but not exclusively.

1 - https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/10/11/poll-on-mac-10-12-is-...

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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These laptops have a severe flaw that nobody seems to be speaking about. The speakers point DOWNWARDS! They're supposed to be pointing upwards, towards where your ears are supposed to be. The downwards pointing speakers are a good fit for 2 in 1 laptops, that transform into tablets, as the most common usage of those is to fold them over, therefore pointing the speakers towards yourself. But not LAPtops. These either…

Same flaw all the Thinkpads have had for centuries now. Garbage speakers are the norm for laptops. The first time I heard one of the newer MacBooks speakers while I had a Thinkpad was eye opening. Work gives me an elite book and while it’s much better than most, it’s still bad. The whole case resonates and adds noise and it runs some shitty software that uses 30% cpu to make it sound decent. Disabling that software b…

I had an older HP laptop where disabling their sound DSP (by Beats) also set the equalizer to min bass / max treble so you would say "wow, this Beats thing is so great".

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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> I'm using a Windows notebook at work, and I cannot go for a single week without running into some random window management bug Could you please share some details on all these Windows GUI bugs?

From this week: 1. Every once in a while, when I move a browser tab into a new window, the window spawns entirely off screen. At least that's what I think. It's completely invisible, but I can focus it and bring up the Alt-Space menu, which shows up in a random screen corner. I can start moving it, but it never moves into view. I just cannot get a hold of it. Only fix is to close the window and try to get back to the…

Is that Windows 10 or 11? I haven't encountered any of those issues in Windows 11.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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So, I can spend 16 hours in the torture of typing on a crap keyboard. Great :-( Seriously, why don't laptop makers understand that a "workstation" needs a decent non-chicklet keyboard?

Because it doesn’t and there are millions of people happily using MacBooks for typing-heavy jobs.

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Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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No, DE doesn't mean I have a dumb console. It just means it's a bit lighter. I have all services a modern desktop has, I still run X plus a window manager. I imagine Xfce or even GNOME 3 can be tweaked a bit to be almost equally energy efficient.

> no desktop environment > I have all services a modern desktop has LMAO I visit this comment section for the same reason I visit a zoo.

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