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Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by iamwpj »

xxxxyxxyxxyxyx wrote: post #189
tgv wrote: post #161

How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing…

>Cmd-shift-G or Go > Go to folder isn't easy enough? What's KDE's super brilliant solution? Not sure about KDE, but every OS (admittedly not many), other than Apple's macOS and previous iteraitions I've used, have had an address bar with the file path. Both of the options you mentioned weren't obvious to me and I only found out about them from your comment. This isn't only an issue of familiarity but also an issue of…

Finder has a breadcrumb you can enable. It's in View > Show Path Bar. It's for sure a discovery issue. MacOS assumes you've always been using it.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by kitsunesoba »

hbn wrote: post #112
tyfon wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually switched to an iphone around 2.5 years ago since teams wouldn't run properly on my old android and the offerings from my company instead of iphone (huawei and samsung) didn't really appeal to me. Now 2.5 years later I switched back due to not being able to make friends with the apple UI despite trying for that long. It feels so constrained and inconsistent to me. The pixel phone I got now is a dream in com…

> Keepass didn't really integrate with ios, in android I can select it as my own "autofill provider" I've been using an iPhone for almost exactly 2 years now and I didn't realized until like a month ago that you can change the default password manager. Unless Keepass just didn't tap into the API (which would surprise me), but Enpass works like a charm and I felt like an idiot for manually going into the app and copy-…

Even if you don’t change the default manager, third party managers automatically appear as options for auto filling password fields.

I’m thinking that whichever keepass client OP was using (there are multiple on the App Store) didn’t actually take advantage of the password API.

Which ties into why I haven’t been able to switch to keepass: client quality is all over the place and even if you find one you like, there’s no telling when it’s going to go dark and if you’re lucky get forked.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by dsego »

distances wrote: post #174
dsego wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any specific grievances? The discoverability argument I don't buy, because the same people that will tinker for hours on a linux distro to learn and set it up, suddenly need things to be in their face or it's not discoverable.

I'm sure it's partly just resistance to change. I did get some good tips from the comment someone linked: https://old.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/yvxz2l/kde_beats_macos... But discoverability is part of the issue. E.g. Finder doesn't list keyboard shortcuts for any of the items in the context menu. I now see they are listed in the app menu though. But I've used Finder for three years without these hints. And then I enc…

> I can't cut-paste a file. Is it something I can't just find, or is it not a Mac concept?

I'm sure if linux/kde/gnome implemented copy-move semantics instead of the usual cut-paste first, every linux evangelist would advocate it here for how superior it is to win/mac paradigms, sort of like package management flavor of the month, middle mouse button to paste text etc.

I still remember how non-technical folks couldn't grasp the cut-paste concept back in win 95 days, like you cut a file and it's grayed out, where is it, what happens if you don't paste, does it disappear, etc Or having to double click to open files. Wasn't very discoverable for them, but very easy for me at the tender age of 12-13, probably because I was actually interested in tech and learning about all the ins and outs of windows, they were just trying to get stuff done. But it does depend on experience and open-mindedness.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by layer8 »

pwinnski wrote: post #212
kuschku wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you say the author's issue is invalid, then please explain: How can you configure macOS to have a keyboard shortcut that also makes sense on ISO keyboards to switch between all windows of all apps in a single UI?

Why do you think that "windows" are the appropriate level at which to consider things, rather than a hierarchy in which one first choose the appropriate "application" and then switches between windows for that application, if more than one exist? Using a "single UI" to do two different things seems like an odd choice, albeit clearly one you're used to.

Not the GP, but I routinely have use-cases where I switch back and forth between (say) two windows of one app and one window of another app. That, is, for a given task I have a “working set” consisting of windows of different apps, involving more than one same-app window for at least one of the apps. It would be annoying to have to switch between different keyboard shortcuts, instead of just getting LRU behavior within that “working set” of windows with a single keyboard shortcut. Which app the currently active window belongs to shouldn’t matter for switching back to the previously active window (or the second orevious one, etc.).

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by mmis1000 »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #28
doix wrote: post #6

Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

MacOS is interesting in that I know regular users who have used it for over a decade who still don’t grasp some of its basics. For example, the post actually makes a mistake when mentioning macOS doesn’t have Alt+TAB window switching. It does. You just have to do Alt+’. That being said, even though the OP is wrong, there’s a massive kernel of truth in that the majority of ordinary Mac users are unaware of this. Anoth…

Like, lots of absolute useful option are hidden by default unless you hold [option]? It always both me that why mac ever want to make the [move] option be in the hidden menu at first place. Isn't move/copy 90% of the reason user ever want to open finder?

Windows surely also have lots of hidden function. By I never see it hide something that is so critical to a hidden menu or something similar.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by mmis1000 »

vegai_ wrote: post #50
doix wrote: post #6

Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

That's a bit silly. I was a Linux user from 1996 to 2015ish, then went to use macbooks almost exclusively. Apple's UI immediately made sense, even if it was remains tad unoptimal for serious use, when comparing to UX masterpieces like i3 and sway. KDE has always been bit of an awkward horror, and I've given it a shot now and then for their whole existence. The latest incarnation, Plasma, is quite a lot better than it…

The reason KDE looks horrible to you is probably due to the history you use computer. KDE is just 90% similar to the logic you use windows. The system tray area, task bar, start button works just like the way you expect in windows.

It probably has the least resistance to use if you are a windows user that try the linux desktop the first time.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by dsego »

xxxxyxxyxxyxyx wrote: post #189
tgv wrote: post #161

How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing…

>Cmd-shift-G or Go > Go to folder isn't easy enough? What's KDE's super brilliant solution? Not sure about KDE, but every OS (admittedly not many), other than Apple's macOS and previous iteraitions I've used, have had an address bar with the file path. Both of the options you mentioned weren't obvious to me and I only found out about them from your comment. This isn't only an issue of familiarity but also an issue of…

It's not obvious to me that the address bar in windows explorer sometimes behaves like breadcrumbs and sometimes becomes a text box. It's a very subtle behavior, but I'm sure for windows users it's totally discoverable and intuitive.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by incanus77 »

aruggirello wrote: post #220
trymas wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed one hundred percent. Why extremely biased rant from specific DE subreddit (also biased) gets so many upvotes? Who cares? My additions: * Poor to non-existing window tiling (at least Rectangle has very good defaults and works well) There are apps for that, like writer mentioned - so what's the problem? I'd argue that using Expose, Mission Control, Multiple desktops and controlling them with touchpad swipes is f…

> * Lack of native clipboard > To be fair - I am intrigued what does writer mean with `native clipboard`? Some sort of built-in app for clipboard management? You don't know native clipboard? It's like a universal second, "quick" clipboard in Linux. You select something somewhere - copied. You middle click somewhere - pasted. It's so much faster and super convenient, it supports terminal and is independent of the "mai…

Do keep in mind in macOS you have `pbcopy` and `pbpaste` at the command line, though, for interoperability, and with Linux-style mere highlight, you wouldn’t then be able to type in a terminal without losing the selection.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by irusensei »

kennend3 wrote: post #156
irusensei wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not him but I share the same opinion. I've recently tried Windows 10 and 11 and the thing is trying to make you sign in to a Microsoft.com service from the moment you finish installing it. Dark patterns everywhere during the setup and in order to create a local account you must do weird stuff like inserting invalid Microsoft.com accountname or disconnecting the computer from the network during setup. Are you sure you…

> Not him but I share the same opinion. I've recently tried Windows 10 and 11 and the thing is trying to make you sign in to a Microsoft.com service from the moment you finish installing it. I'm sorry, but doesnt MacOS do this too? You can skip it in both MacOS and Windows but MacOS will prompt you later to create an account. MacOS also wants you into its "iCloud" service badly....

There is a button to skip and use a local account. Windows wont't allow you to skip cloud account unless you put something invalid on the account field (like user cancel pass cancel) or run setup unplugged from the network.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

throwntoday wrote: post #225
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #91

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Honestly I use macOS because I like my MacBook Air and having access to a somewhat proper version of Office but all these discussions are weird to me. Installing Linux takes literally the same amount of time than any other OS and if you are a developer, it just works. It was on every machines at a previous company and well, it worked fine. To be honest, even Windows mostly works fine nowadays. I’m still puzzled by wh…

> Installing Linux takes literally the same amount of time than any other OS and if you are a developer, it just works I don't believe you've ever actually used (or maybe setup) linux because I don't know of a single workflow that your average linux distro ships ready to develop on. You still need to download packages, dependencies, editors/IDE's to do anything. Linux is still leagues better than windows. But it has…

Believe what you want. I have used Linux for years and still have a server on it in the corner of my room.

You need to download a development environment on any platform if you want to develop. MacOS used to come with widely outdated versions of Python and had you download Xcode before being able to do anything interesting. Plus you have to use homebrew which is a pile of garbage. Relatively speaking it’s easier on Linux.

Seriously without being delusional, I enjoy macOS for the rest but the development experience on it is approximately the same than on Linux.

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