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Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by mort96 »

charcircuit wrote: post #224
nottorp wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This deserves a lot of publicity. Why send a DMCA takedown instead of contact the people involved? Will they do the same if some vulnerability is found in Signal? Lawyer up instead of fix the problem?

That is what a DMCA takedown is. You contacting the people involved to get something taken down.

No. A DCMA takedown is your lawyers contacting their lawyers and saying that you're invoking a law which forces them to immediately take something down or risk severe legal ramifications. Isn't it better to reach out without invoking a DCMA and see if the other party is willing to cooperate first?

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by gort19 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #207
gort19 wrote: post #126

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The only one of these that is a ‘bug’ is the failure to ring on android. The rest are all feature requests. That said, it’s interesting to see what people think are basic requirement for a messaging app these days.

>The rest are all feature requests. More like missing basic features. I never said all are bugs, I said some are bugs and that all these things exist and work on the other alternatives like WhatsApp or Telegram

Ok, but that means your criteria for a basic messenger app is something that does everything that all the other messaging apps do.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by dheera »

hyperhopper wrote: post #221
nottorp wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This deserves a lot of publicity. Why send a DMCA takedown instead of contact the people involved? Will they do the same if some vulnerability is found in Signal? Lawyer up instead of fix the problem?

Exactly, using lawyers first is a very bad sign. I don't know why often people say "oh it was just the lawyers" like that makes it okay. No, those lawyers are paid for by and directed by signal. Signal is responsible.

Hey signal, maybe fix this

    $ sudo apt-get install signal
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    E: Unable to locate package signal
and we don't need to resort to unofficial snap packages

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by timbit42 »

JonathanBeuys wrote: post #80

Is there any reason to have snapd installed on your system? I am currently setting up a new laptop and so far my plan is to not install it. Anybody here who uses it? Care to tell why?

If you remove Snaps from Ubuntu, how do you install apps that are not in their regular repo, for example, Firefox? Do you sideload them?

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by dheera »

sschueller wrote: post #89
award_ wrote: post #85

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What are your others? I use signal alot personally and haven't had too many issues.

- Still need a phone number - They refuse to post the app on f-droid (directly) - No 3rd party clients allowed on their servers. - Crypto thing they attempted - I don't trust Moxie, he rubs me the wrong way.

Yeah the phone number thing is a bad move since it's traceable to your identity one way or another, even if you use a virtual number like I do.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by dheera »

nimbius wrote: post #114
sschueller wrote: post #74

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Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

Moxies always been fairly dictatorial about Signal. no third party clients, no decentralization. im not surprised to see a DMCA at all. So far Signal is a centralized encrypted messaging app that includes its own cryptocurrency and wallet no one asked for, shills me for donations every other release, and begs me to invite new users despite deprecating regular SMS message support. if youre a threat-actor the most male…

> no third party clients

Isn't their client open source? If I compiled it myself, is that a third party client?

If they don't let me compile it myself, how can I trust their official version is using the source they published?

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by nsxwolf »

dheera wrote: post #233
hyperhopper wrote: post #221

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Exactly, using lawyers first is a very bad sign. I don't know why often people say "oh it was just the lawyers" like that makes it okay. No, those lawyers are paid for by and directed by signal. Signal is responsible.

Hey signal, maybe fix this $ sudo apt-get install signal Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package signal and we don't need to resort to unofficial snap packages

Oh, snap!

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

cyberphobe wrote: post #186
sschueller wrote: post #74

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Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

Signal offers an official deb. The correct behavior would have been for third parties to not distribute trademark-infringing binaries and call them Signal

Yeah, checking on IA the snapcraft page, before Sep there was no notice (one was added early Sep) this was an unofficial package and the link just below the package name was/is link to Signal homepage with tooltip saying developer. Think the issue was the lack of such notice before. Because on Flathub the equivalent package exists fine: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.signal.Signal

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by monocasa »

cyberphobe wrote: post #208
jeroenhd wrote: post #166

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The application went down because of a DMCA request. The same would've happened with APT repositories and other distribution systems in that the "official" source would disappear. You could've installed it from an alternative source were that to happen to a simple repository but you still can now. I have plenty of gripes with Snap but this time the Signal team is to blame.

Signal never gave canonical permission to distribute a binary called Signal. Canonical just went ahead and did it anyway. How is this Signal’s fault?

DMCA isn't a mechanism for trademark disputes.
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