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Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Did Twitter file a California WARN notice? If not, they need to do so and give 60 day notice to workers in California. So, don't accept anything that doesn't preserve your rights to your Tuesday equity grant. Details here: https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN Key Provision: "Layoff of 50 or more employees within a 30-day period regardless of % of workforce. ...." Penalties for Violation: "A po…

My understanding is that the WARN notice does not apply when employees are terminated for cause. This has the extra "benefit" of not having to pay out unemployment claims.

For legal purposes, a separation letter for a for-cause termination must state the specific "cause" for which the employee is terminated.

Termination on the basis of poor performance (legally, "incompetence") requires supporting documentation, such as written reviews of the employees' performance prior to the termination. And legally incompetence only tests the employee's performance at tasks actually within their job description; an employee can't be fired for incompetence at other tasks. Very importantly, a new boss coming in and deciding that employees weren't performing up to his arbitrary (and new) standards doesn't pass muster.

A mass layoff for "performance" reasons has never been sustained by a labor department. The penalty is $500 for each day of violation (meaning each day short of the 60 required by the Warn ACT), plus all salary and bonuses that would have been paid during the 60 day period, plus legal fees incurred by the employees to protect their rights.

Additionally, a "for cause" termination on performance (or any other grounds) opens the employer up to per se libel lawsuits. Literally, all the employee has to do is submit a copy of the termination letter into evidence and they win unless Twitterlon can demonstrate that the employee was actually incompetent.

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Twitter probably didn't have a pre-existing title for "Member of the Musk Entourage" so they just found what they considered the next closest thing.

It's an obvious meaningless formality, not sure why it's news.

Because it's kind of odd for someone who makes such a big deal about high performing engineering orgs to hire his non-technical buddies into top tier engineering roles?

Why not hire them into "Chief of Staff" or "Chief of Fuck You Parag" roles?

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What’s with the contempt for twitter employees in this thread? I really hope Musk doesn’t come for your job next

I can tell you the viral "day in the Life" video that was going around in the last week or so did not help the situation much.

Loathe to give outrage reposters views but here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQbHyLE6Tc

The video was posted by a remote financial analyst who was visiting the SF office for the first time. She describes what amounts to maybe an hour of break time, including lunch -- the rest of her day is meetings and working time. The perks are nice, maybe too nice you could argue, but the notion that the video proves she (and other Twitter workers) don't do any "real work" is idiotic. It's a short video, a tiny sample of her work day -- why would she dedicate any portion of it to showing her crunching numbers in Excel or whatever?

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Depends on the role, the company, and the timing. A single worker in an important position leaving on the spot, dropping some critical work half-way done and taking all the context and specific knowledge with them, could easily torpedo a million dollar deal. Or, a single employee leaving could trigger a cascade, and soon you're short a whole project team. In general , I'd say at-will still favors employers, who are i…

I'll note that a company that depends on a single employee like this has failed to plan and is already in trouble. No matter how well you treat them, your critical employees will leave. You might be able to pay them well enough to limit the risk on them taking another job (though few employers do) but even with that sooner or later they'll win the lottery, get hit by a bus, or just retire. A business can and must hed…

As an example to further illustrate your point, it is possible for a business to purchase key employee insurance. As an employee we do not have the same privilege.

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> Reports that he gave a team until Nov 7th to roll out a paid subscription > None of these things are particularly unreasonable Six business days to come up with a system to process $6m per month of income. Nothing unreasonable indeed...

Yes, by historical Twitter standards it may seem unreasonable to write a Stripe API integration with simple UI and account history in six days. In the real world, however, a single developer can do it in less time than that. Twitter (and really, BigCo in general) engineers are accustomed to their foosball tables, catered meals, wine bars, beer taps, rooftop gaming session, and endless meetings and code reviews. It's…

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Twitter now owes about $1 billlion in debit payments per year. Cash flow last year $630 million. I think 25% staff reductions is just a starting point.

I'm constantly shocked that "leveraged buyouts" are a thing. It seems like taking a business and loading it up with debt is a recipe for failure that would introduce a lot of risk for the lender, but banks and other capital holders continue issuing the debt.

They have a place and can be used effectively to solve actual problems. Old line businesses with too many units and complicated business arrangements can actually benefit from being torn apart and rebuilt effectively.

The problem is, when the Fed gives out exceptionally cheap interest, it makes it incredibly easy to apply this strategy even when the underlying business would not benefit from it.

We simply left the tap on _way_ too long.

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Who’s hurt more: the company whose employee leaves on the spot, or the employee whose company fires them on the spot? At-will is asymmetric.

Depends on the role, the company, and the timing. A single worker in an important position leaving on the spot, dropping some critical work half-way done and taking all the context and specific knowledge with them, could easily torpedo a million dollar deal. Or, a single employee leaving could trigger a cascade, and soon you're short a whole project team. In general , I'd say at-will still favors employers, who are i…

Employees often depend on prior employers as references and for social connections. It is rare that anyone would actually walk out without notice, as doing so would almost always hurt their careers even if that job was truly shitty (the old adage to “never burn bridges” does apply!).

Employers do not experience this same effect. Even if lots of people get laid off from a company without notice, there will almost always be people who are willing to take new jobs there.

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Twitter is already improved IMHO: The "sign in or sign up" nag screen is gone for me!

It seems inconsistent now. Sometimes I can scroll for minutes with nothing and other times I get the sign-up pop up right away. Or was it always this way?

Its been that way at least 6 months. If you click Login then a close button finally appears in the top left. Garbage piece of shit UX.

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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> Longtime Musk associates David Sacks and Jason Calacanis appeared in a company directory over the weekend, according to photos obtained by The Washington Post. Both had official company emails and their titles were "staff software engineer." Do either of these guys even know how to program? Calacanis has been making tech content for decades, and I've never once heard him talk about writing code.

Sacks runs a VC firm with over $1 billion under management [1]…Staff Software Engineer is a big demotion for him, lol

1 - https://medium.com/craft-ventures/announcing-craft-iii-1-1-b...

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