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Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study

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Re: Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study

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The less Linoleic Acid in your oil the better[1]. This image[2] is a good reference. Also, and as opposed to common beliefs. You can cook on olive oil[3] [1] https://openheart.bmj.com/content/5/2/e000898 [2]. https://www.doctorkiltz.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/LA-in... [3]. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092422442...

Wait, less... or more? :| https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2014/11/05/diet...

Like for most nutrients, both too much and too little are bad.

The olive oil and the other vegetable oils with high content of oleic acid, e.g. high oleic sunflower oil, avocado oil and others, also include adequate amounts of linoleic acid, which is an essential nutrient (e.g. when the daily intake is too small, various skin problems appear).

The cheaper vegetable oils, e.g. classic sunflower oil, corn oil, soy oil and others, contain far too much linoleic acid (which can cause liver problems). The use of such vegetable oils in human food has begun very recently, only in the 19th century, after their industrial production has been developed.

For example, I choose carefully the sources of fat in my food and in a typical day the fat comes from 54 g (60 mL) of olive oil + 33 g of almonds + 9 g (10 mL) of cod liver oil. (That started after being diagnosed with some incipient heart problems, which seem to have been corrected after a year of more careful food choices.)

Both olive oil and almonds contain fat where oleic acid is the most abundant fatty acid. Their quantities are computed so that they also provide adequate daily intakes of linoleic acid and vitamin E. The fish oil adds an adequate amount of omega-3 fatty acids.

Re: Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study

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I do not like Amazon for many reasons (treating employees being the main). However I bought crapload of electronics there for personal use and for my business and it was fine either right from the start or was refunded / replaced without problems even when not being fulfilled by Amazon.

Is Amazon really that bad to work for? I had two roommates who were warehouse managers, and they didn't really seem to dislike their jobs much.

>"I had two roommates who were warehouse managers"

Try packaging workers instead and see what happens

Re: Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study

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The North American Olive Oil Association maintains a list of genuine olive oils. They send people into grocery stores to randomly buy a bottle of one of the listed brands/varieties and test it in their lab. https://www.aboutoliveoil.org/64-certified-pure-and-authenti...

Interesting, from the article: > Does the fact that an olive oil does not have your seal mean that the olive oil is not authentic? > The answer is emphatically no. According to a study conducted by scientists from the FDA in a study published in 2015 that the risk of purchasing a bottle of adulterated EVOO is low (less than 5%). The scientists randomly sampled 88 bottles of EVOO that they purchased from supermarkets…

I read several times 2 stories in the past 5 years: the exported quantity of olive oil in Italy is bigger than the entire country's production and the global sales of Motul engine oils is 3 to 5 times bigger than their production capacity. I am not 100% of these stories, but at the time I read these they were from multiple reputable sources.

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Greek olive oil is considered the best in the world and doesn't suffer from Mafia infiltration which is a huge problem in Italy [1] [2] [3]. Here is some good quality Greek olive oil available in US, reasonably priced, that you can buy without fear of adulteration or other shadiness: https://www.amazon.com/Terra-Creta-Kolymvari-Protective-Desi... https://www.amazon.com/Iliada-Extra-Virgin-Olive-Liter/dp/B0... The Gre…

Maybe greek olive oil is the most famous, but not the best; I don't think there is an official competition or comparison.

A decade ago a friend of my mother that had a small olive farm in Jordan used to send us a couple of 5 liter cans of oil and olives every year. I can say that was the best olive oil and the best olives in my life, but there is no way to prove it.

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It depends on where you live. If you live in California, you should not be purchasing Greek olive oil as it will oxidize by the time it gets to you. 100% Californian olive oil is the way to go for health. Or better yet just use coconut oil and butter/ghee.

Coconut oil and butter are saturated fats, whereas olive oil is monounsaturated fat. While saturated fats might not be as bad as we thought, they are still still strongly associated with cardiovascular diseases. Not really in the same league as olive oil.

I believe that the question of whether saturated fat is unhealthy is still an open question.

Re: Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study

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The less Linoleic Acid in your oil the better[1]. This image[2] is a good reference. Also, and as opposed to common beliefs. You can cook on olive oil[3] [1] https://openheart.bmj.com/content/5/2/e000898 [2]. https://www.doctorkiltz.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/LA-in... [3]. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092422442...

>Also, and as opposed to common beliefs. You can cook on olive oil

Common beliefs by whom? (the USA)?

Loosely in Europe all mediterranean area countries have a tradition of cooking on olive oil since forever. (and of course Portugal, northern Africa countries, the Middle East, they all use oil for cooking).

Re: Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study

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I am an olive oil producer, in Portugal, and we're harvesting as I type.

I have made some remarks about olive oil production on HN in the past, but here are some remarks about olive oil quality, grading, and production:

Olive oils do degrade with time, which means triglycerols break into free fatty acids and glycerol (E → F + _ ). Of course aroma also changes with time, but this is more subjective, and decided by actually tasting samples.

So olive oil freshness comes in three gradings, defined by free fatty acid content: extra virgin (2%). These grades will generally decide the market value, but differentiation can change this (special varieties and a good aroma allow for a better price). Extra-virgin can, in principle, be sold as virgin (e.g. if aroma is not good enough for some reason) but not the other way around.

All my production is extra virgin. That is 100.00% extra virgin. I have never, nor my family has ever, produced anything but extra virgin olive oil. The worst I have seen around me was a producer getting 0,4% free acidity, which is still extra virgin.

Today, olive oil is industrially extracted by crushing the olives and separating water and fatty phases in a centrifuge, at cold temperatures.

Olives have around 20% w/w directly extractable oil, but the fatty content of the pomace contains around 40% fat. This oil can be further extracted in centrifuges, up to a point were some temperature will be needed. This fat won't be completely extracted, and that is up to the plant processing it, that usually keeps the pomace for itself. Heating does lower the quality of olive oil, and as such its price, but some data is good to put things into perspective.

Around 95% of Portugal's production was virgin/extra virgin, followed by the US (~90%), Greece (~75%), and Italy and Spain (both ~65%) the latter being the largest producer (~35% of world total). Portugal now ranks 7th in production volume, and is the first to put olive oil in the market, although the market is controlled by Spain. Future markets usually keep prices down for the starting weeks, and I hope this will change in the following years as Portuguese production increases.

Having this objective measure in mind, and without disregard for other characteristics that can improve olive oil general quality, one can say that Portuguese olive oil is the best, modesty aside.

But it does seem the US know what they're doing, although in smaller quantities!

Italy is one of the largest importers of Portuguese olive oil. I have no idea what they do with it.

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I get a couple of gallons of olive oil in a small village directly from the press in November each year. It's not filtered so it has a lot of particles in suspension and it goes bad faster, maybe after a year or so. But it tastes nothing like supermarket extra-virgin olive oil, the taste is so much more concentrated. Olive oil has a pretty short shelf life. The best way to get the good stuff is to make sure you buy:…

Yup. Fresher is better.

A friend once sent me a gallon from his family's harvest. Nectar of the gods.

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California Olive Ranch is available in (my) local groceries. They helpfully imprint the harvest date on the label. Any thing on the shelf is probably over a year old. Meh.

I've pre-ordered their harvest reserve (autumn). Two weeks from tree to mouth. Very good.

Nothing on their web site about harvest reserve 2022. Maybe it's only announced on the mailing list. https://www.californiaoliveranch.com

Caveat emptor: Ordering their non-harvest online was the same old stuff available retail. Rip off.

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I'm sure other growers are happy to oblige. https://cooc.com https://txaoo.org

Re: Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study

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Thanks to Amazon comingling inventory, you can buy something from one seller and have it fulfilled from the inventory of another. There's no protection from fakes and counterfeits. Even the reviews aren't enough to be sure.

That's not necessarily true in the context of the parent comment. It only applies to deliveries directly from Amazon and drop shipping sellers, but Amazon is essentially a marketplace and the original sellers don't have to co-mingle. You're completely safe from co-mingleing if you're actually buying through Amazon from the original manufacturer and the article information says something like "sold and delivered by Th…

Only if the original manufacturer does the shipping, which is not always true. If it says "prime" it's warehoused by Amazon, original manufacturer or not, and subject to commingling.

Re: Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study

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Greek olive oil is considered the best in the world and doesn't suffer from Mafia infiltration which is a huge problem in Italy [1] [2] [3]. Here is some good quality Greek olive oil available in US, reasonably priced, that you can buy without fear of adulteration or other shadiness: https://www.amazon.com/Terra-Creta-Kolymvari-Protective-Desi... https://www.amazon.com/Iliada-Extra-Virgin-Olive-Liter/dp/B0... The Gre…

I will top that with Croatian olive oil is the best in the world, earned many prices, but is not available to buy internationally.

I personally like to buy Sicilian olive oil, from a local seller for only 7€ per Liter. It's so virgin that a bottle exploded that I had put a cap on. Quite the mess, but the quality speaks for itself.

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