SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…
Can you provide any... yaknow... evidence that crime is going up on average? Just a quick Google implies that this is a complete fabrication https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Che... https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/san-francisco-crime-r... >Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. The irony of saying t…
Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says
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#232I’d have guessed over 90%, but most people I know in the city have lived there for a while.
Too bad the poll isn’t broken down by how many years they’ve lived in SF, and how many thefts they’ve been victims of.
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#233SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…
Can you provide any... yaknow... evidence that crime is going up on average? Just a quick Google implies that this is a complete fabrication https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Che... https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/san-francisco-crime-r... >Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. The irony of saying t…
Could your data not be completely accounted for by a decrease in public trust in police effectiveness to address instances of crime at the level of individual instances?
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#234SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…
> It will take years to recover from "Defund the Police"
Did that actually happen though?
The initiative failed when it came to a vote in Minneapolis, crime was up already anyway, even without such initiatives.
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#235Without comparing to other high density cities for basic theft, I don't really find this that useful. :( To wit, in Seattle we had our car broken into once. We also had a habit of forgetting the car keys /on top of the car/, such that we would have said we live in a very very safe place. Despite the time the car was broken into. When I lived in Atlanta, the general practice was not to lock your car, so that they woul…
I live in Boston, which is a similar size and population to SF, and it's extremely safe. There is some crime but even something minor like porch pirates are pretty much not a thing. There is a skid row named "Mass and Cass" which has had HBO documentaries made about it, but there are a lot of protests from citizens advocating to clean it up. At some point you need the police to arrest all these people and throw them…
Been in Boston for 15 years. Never had a problem. I've crossed the city many times at 2am walking drunk from a bar, nothing. Not even a single package theft in 15 years.
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#236Here's a good place to compare to other cities, if comparing is even a reasonable thing to do [1]. Sort by Total for Property Crime. Notably Albuquerque, Spokane, and Memphis have higher total property crime rates. But perhaps wouldn't make such an interesting headline for those in tech. Also notable that Orlando, FL is high on the list. But Irvine, CA and Tampa, FL are at the bottom of the list. Please also read the…
Arson is fascinatingly variable: look at Detroit.
I guess Devil's Night is still a tradition. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Night
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think I’ve had any theft incidents in many years in Seattle.
I’ve been in Seattle for a mere 8 months and I’ve been robbed already.
Sounds like it’s time to setup the Anhk-Morpork thieves’ guild.
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#238San Francisco has its heart in the right place and is struggling to grapple with the reality that lax drug laws invites the wrong kind of people to the city.
Switzerland and Portugal are the counter examples that prove you wrong. Both decriminalized drugs and treat them as the medical problem that they really are. The heroin problem was especially bad in Switzerland and you could find homeless addicts all over public places.
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What mistake, you think the DA snaps her fingers and the system self-heals and self assembles? Even in private enterprise a bad CEO can take years to recover from, here we're taking government --so you're going to have to wait some time for results.
But some of your assertions of the underlying issue (eg the police being defunded) lack a factual foundation. You're lecturing us about the correct solution to a fictional problem.
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#240how is SF still so valuable if so much is going wrong
Things don't change overnight. New Jersey used to be a major economic hub in the US. Now it's a state with corruption, high taxes, low quality of life and a net migration out for a long time. Nothing says it can't happen here. Hell, SF lost like 20% of it's population between 1950 and 1980.
New Jersey is basically just the suburb of two different cities. The NYC suburb side of it seems very high QoL IME, and while expensive it's substantially cheaper than trying to live in a Bay area suburb. NJ is also dense AF for a state still, so I'm not sure I'm worried about the supposed emigration.