/r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story • Hacker News Board

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by LightHugger » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:08 AM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #206

tylersmith wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP handed it over based on a deal that Stability did not hold up their end of.

Sure, but that isn't Reddit's problem. Reddit can't step in and choose sides based on he said/she said accusations about moderation drama. The fact is, this person handed over ownership of the sub to somebody else willingly. That's the end of it. Discord was another matter.

They do this all the time actually, though it's mainly here the reddit admins personally don't like the existing mods. So they're completely willing to do so for their own whims.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 3:03 AM UTC

manifoldgeo wrote: post #220

I think Discord's use of the word server is misleading, and it leads people to think they own something when they don't. Discord owns it and can pull the rug out from under you at any time, regardless of how much hard work you put into building a community, and that hurts. I understand that "server" is an abstract term and just means "something which provides a service", but most other uses of the word relate to some…

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Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by Marsey » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 3:51 AM UTC

guiambros wrote: post #227

Marsey wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lY8Fc8VzdY

Seems it didn't last long...

Oops, luckily the Internet Archive managed to catch it: https://web.archive.org/web/20220402052406/https://www.youtu...

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by guiambros » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 3:58 AM UTC

Marsey wrote: post #233

guiambros wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems it didn't last long...

Oops, luckily the Internet Archive managed to catch it: https://web.archive.org/web/20220402052406/https://www.youtu...

Oh wow, I didn't know Internet Archive stored (at least some) YT videos. That must consume quite a lot of storage. Impressive.

Thanks for sharing!

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by subtract-smiles » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 4:46 AM UTC

This story reminded me of the Public Apis Github repo situation. Similar scenario, as soon as it became under corporate control things got wonky.

Repo issue explaining the situation: https://github.com/public-apis/public-apis/issues/3104

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by nonbirithm » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 5:17 AM UTC

ImprobableTruth wrote: post #224

nonbirithm wrote: post #197

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> [...] it's pretty inconceivable that the model could become copyrightable without becoming a derivative work of the training data. Another perspective that may become important is the fact that not all cultures share the same interpretation of copyright. In Japan there was a case in which a court ruled that selling a memory card with preloaded save data for a video game was a breach of the original work's integrity…

>also have to wonder what the implications would have been if NovelAI ended up launching what is now the leaked model as a paid service huh? It was launched as a paid (subscription only) service before even getting leaked.

Yes, you're right, sorry. I'm not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that.

Looking back it seems many in the Japanese community on Twitter aren't happy with discovering their art is being used as training data. In the last week since the NovelAI announcement the number of banned artists on Danbooru has doubled, approximately the same amount as all the banned artists that were registered in the site's entire history.

Beyond the training issue there is the fact that the art was reposted on another site at all, which is what many take note of. It seems Danbooru's initial statement to Japanese users made it seem like it was NovelAI's fault that things blew over, without bringing up the reposting part that was the root issue, and it didn't seem to be an effective apology as a result.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by absolutelynobo » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 5:29 AM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #207

A minor? How do kids learn to talk all smart like that? I was real dumb when I was under 18.

They achieve linguistic mastery by not breathing lead fumes throughout their childhood.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by autoexec » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 5:34 AM UTC

Brusco_RF wrote: post #139

spookthesunset wrote: post #116

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For forget you can get preemptively banned from many subs simply by posting in a “wrong think” sub the mods don’t like. Granted you can just create a new account to route around it but still…

For a good laugh, drop a comment in /r/ChurchOfCovid and watch the auto-bans roll in for a few hours

I'll give reddit some credit for leaving that subreddit unbanned. It's good to be aware of what kind of misinformation is being spread around;.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by nextaccountic » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 5:35 AM UTC

manifoldgeo wrote: post #220

I think Discord's use of the word server is misleading, and it leads people to think they own something when they don't. Discord owns it and can pull the rug out from under you at any time, regardless of how much hard work you put into building a community, and that hurts. I understand that "server" is an abstract term and just means "something which provides a service", but most other uses of the word relate to some…

Wait, so you can't run Discord servers in your own server? I supposed they distributed at least a proprietary binary for running the server or something like that

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by int_19h » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 7:51 AM UTC

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #150

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

In many ways HN is worse than Reddit because comments get flagged way too easily here for being unpopular or off topic. That’s what downvotes are for. It feels really gross and censored in a way Reddit never does. Bury it under downvotes fine on Reddit but it is never just flagged and removed for the tiniest reason. I do agree with you greatly though that Reddit mods have way too much power. The /r/movies subreddit i…

When comments get downvoted rapidly here, it is usually because their tone is deemed unacceptable by the community. Which, yes, is unabashed tone policing in the most literal sense of the word - but I think that's exactly why HN is much more pleasant to have conversations on than most other platforms online these days.

Also, when something gets downvoted solely for content, if you come back later, it often gets upvoted right back (and then some), with some comments below to the effect that downmodding is not a proper way to express disagreement. I've upvoted greyed-out comments that I strongly disagreed with myself more than once, solely on the basis that they make a valid argument that ought to be a part of the conversation - even if only to debunk it properly.