I bet my left nut that in 50 years we'll learn it was a US operation https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8?t=95
Won’t take 50 years.
Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Troops could be sent for other purposes, though. Like they were sent to Kazakhstan before Ukraine, without invading. So it's kind of smoothing. I'm not sure was it intentional or not.
Except there's no need to account for that nuance because we know why Russia "sent their troops" to Ukraine. It was an invasion and they started a war.
You'd be surprised how many people think the opposite. For example in Slovakia more than half of the public blames Ukraine.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#233I bet my left nut that in 50 years we'll learn it was a US operation https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8?t=95
We actually did do this 40 years ago. Reagan covertly blew up a Soviet gas pipeline supplying Europe in 1982, which was publicized in 2004 when the former Secretary of the Air Force boasted about it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/02/27/r... ("Reagan Approved Plan to Sabotage Soviets" (2004))
- "At the time, the United States was attempting to block Western Europe from importing Soviet natural gas. There were also signs that the Soviets were trying to steal a wide variety of Western technology. Then, a KGB insider revealed the specific shopping list and the CIA slipped the flawed software to the Soviets in a way they would not detect it."
- "In order to disrupt the Soviet gas supply, its hard currency earnings from the West, and the internal Russian economy, the pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines, and valves was programmed to go haywire, after a decent interval, to reset pump speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to pipeline joints and welds," Reed writes."
Possibly the first software supply-chain attack in history? Before the term even existed.
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have seen this line of thinking multiple places. It doesn't make any sense. Russia makes the energy crisis by turning off the gas. Destruction of the nordstream line only makes it impossible to start the gas exporting in case Russia want to sell it again and/or the sanctions are lifted. The obvious result of this is making sure that trade relationships with Russia can't go back to normal anytime soon.
Nordstream 2 is fully functional and can be turned on at any time. ...and it carries far more capacity.
Nordstream 2 was fully functional.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#235Can anyone inform me why there is gas in both the pipes when they are in maintenance/not yet in use/no gas is being delivered by russia. Do they always have to be filled with gas for some reason?
Having empty pipes at the bottom of the sea would basically crush them, unless filled with either water or some high-pressure gas. It would be impossible to get rid of water later, and any other gas except an actual gas would be too complicated, so why not fill it with the thing which it is designed to transport anyway?
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't destabilize the relationship between US and Germany one bit - unless evidence comes out that the USA did do this damage - in which case the Germans will probably apologize and kowtow, as they always do when America is on the line ... It does make it hard for Germany and Russia to have energy trade, however. Which makes it easier for the USA to sell its dirty gas in Europe.
It destabilizes it to the extant that if a bunch of armchair politicos on HN can reason to the conclusion "The likeliest perpetrator is the United States of America," every nation's espionage organization can certainly find that conclusion too, and possibly act on it, for the purposes of framing the US for their own political reasons. I'm reminded of the worm that was injected into NASA servers back in the '80s that…
I mean, its not like Biden didn't make the statement that he'd do exactly this. If him admitting that it was a plan isn't enough for you, I don't think your myopia is going to be altered by any further discussion.
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#237Rupture of the pipes is visible on seismic recordings: https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/earthquakes/quake-info/7054...
Interestingly, that site is the only one I can find that records that seismic event. All of the others (which mainly use USGS data) do not show it.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have seen this line of thinking multiple places. It doesn't make any sense. Russia makes the energy crisis by turning off the gas. Destruction of the nordstream line only makes it impossible to start the gas exporting in case Russia want to sell it again and/or the sanctions are lifted. The obvious result of this is making sure that trade relationships with Russia can't go back to normal anytime soon.
Nordstream 2 is fully functional and can be turned on at any time. ...and it carries far more capacity.
No its not. It was damaged like Nordstream 1.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where is the claim being made that it isn't a war?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/do-not-call-ukraine-...
So, nowhere in this article or in any of the discussion so far, by any participant - in a completely unrelated article on Al Jazeera .. got it ..
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Ceramic armour resists bullets. Why do my plates shatter when I drop them then ?! if they can't withstand my floor how could they possibly deflect bullets ?! > Cardboard doesn’t block or deflect threats to tanks in any form Well then good thing there is no cardboard in their tanks. You really take a random pic from twitter as the absolute truth even though you were presented alternatives ? Maybe another twitter pos…
> it is supposed to be like that I’ve seen claims that this is for structural reinforcement of sandbags, which makes no sense on multiple levels. (Even if the tank armour can’t resist bullets, a premise which raises its own host of questions, there is better light armour. And even if one insists on sand, a requirement which raises its own host of questions, civil engineering has better solved the problem of immobilis…
> The broader point is, whether designed that way or not, it’s evidence of incompetence.
Yet you went for the "aha funny egg cartons how can they be so dumb" narrative instead of the "look they have a shitty army"
> Those claims also have zero history before photos of the egg cartons emerged,
Besides the literal tank specs and the tweets/websites I linked to from 2017 which was like 5 years before the picture emerged.
It's free to admit you were wrong and propagating false information, I'm not attacking you personally you don't have to be so triggered: they have a decrepit army: yes, they have egg carton tanks: no, as simple as that