In case you haven't seen it, some new evidence surfaced yesterday: https://youtu.be/jfPzUgzrOcQ
Hard to cheat statistics. This is how they find accounting fraud as well.
Yeah, but it is also extremely easy to misrepresent statistics!
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note that the above defamation is the US-based one, I believe. Other countries have vastly different statues, and in some cases true statements of fact can be defamation (if they were not widely known, I believe).
But he already accused Neimann of cheating ... the slander is already there. If I were Neimann I would actually sue now.
That's why Carlsen is being very careful at what he does.
He hasn't said anything beyond provable facts, and let people read into his actions what they want.
Suing someone for defamation because they resigned to you in a tournament is going to be a pretty high bar.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone makes a mistake at 16, is it a valid reason to ban a person for life? Ok. If someone kills a person at 16. Should the killer be in prison for life?
Some things matter so little that the penalties can be extremely high; for example, nobody needs to play chess so the penalty for cheating at chess can be a lifetime ban from sanctioned tournaments. Is it entirely fair to the actually repentant? No. But does it keep out the false-repentant? Yes.
There were multiple examples of people from other online sports where former cheaters became world top players and important members of the community.
It is immoral to close every redemption path to a former sinner.
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#234I'm not sure I have ever understood the Magnus hype. This whole thing... It makes me certain he did not deserve it. Unless he's proven right somehow... But generally as a sportsman it's not up to you to play referee. Maybe they should take bullying in chess just as seriously as cheating.
...you don't understand the "hype" around the best player in the history of the game?
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#235In case you haven't seen it, some new evidence surfaced yesterday: https://youtu.be/jfPzUgzrOcQ
This seems interesting, any chess-knowing people willing to take the hit for the team and watch all 23 minutes?
It would be nice to get an ELI5 on this too. I used to play chess and have an understanding of the significance... but I don't think I can fully appreciate it as well as someone with a solid background in both.
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#236A key fact to understand in thinking about cheating in over the board chess: a strong player can defeat a much stronger opponent with just 1-3 hints per game indicating the strongest move. For example, most chess experts agree that a ~2600 rated player with 2-3 hints at key moments per game would be expected to beat a ~2800 rated player. Many people might assume that a cheater needs guidance every move, thereby requi…
> Many people might assume that a cheater needs guidance every move, thereby requiring a potentially more obvious cheating mechanism. That is not the case.
IMO, this reasoning potentially implicates every high level player. If it's possible that two hints can account for the difference between 2600 and 2800, and a 19 year old kid under heavy scrutiny can exploit this weakness without being detected, it seems assured that other more experienced players are also exploiting this.
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#237For all the people defending Hans, he has admitted to cheating in real, official, prize money online tournaments, and chess.com believes that in his apology he still lied about the extent of his cheating. Maybe Hans did cheat OTB, maybe he didn't, but the tough part about reputation is it is very hard to build and very easy to break. And Hans had proven to the world that he would cheat. I personally don't think Hans…
It is very unlikely a 2700 GM can beat Magnus on black pieces. Moreover the live coverage showed an Hans way too relaxed about moves with 100% accuracy he was pulling. He could also not give an explanation about of his moves in the game in an interview. This, coupled with Magnus complaining about low security standards in the tournament make all the things very suspicious.
But cheating wouldn't explain a relaxed state. You could easily expect that he'd be nervous as fuck to cheat OTB against Carlsen. This is just wildly speculative and ultimately meaningless.
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#238Carlson should just challenge Niemann to a 30 game over the board televised match in their shorts (no shoes, no shirt) at Madison Square Garden. With the revenue generated from ticket sales and advertising, they could both retire and international chess can put this episode behind them.
Everyone in the audience has to be in their shorts, and the players need to be surrounded by one-way mirrors otherwise someone in the audience could use a computer and signal the players.
And the air temperature should be controlled because someone may signal single-bit information otherwise.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems interesting, any chess-knowing people willing to take the hit for the team and watch all 23 minutes?
Using an ultra-high ELO chess engine to score each possible move, then reversing through the players moves and seeing how often it would have been a positive move (one that shifts the balance of the game in your favor) - or perfect move (not sure which). It is extremely rare to make 100% perfect moves in a game, let alone a series of games. Typical gameplay for high level chess player doesn't peak over 72-75% for a g…
It's not extremely rare. Stop pulling things out of your butt.
THE FIRST GAME Hikaru opened when he tried to check his games was 100%. He opened a random fucking game!