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Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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mdtusz wrote: post #229
twawaaay wrote: post #186

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No, I just want to say that probably most of healthy people (well, at the very least men) can, with a bit of preparation, achieve the above mentioned result with no prior history of doing any serious sports. It would require some effort but it is doable in 6 months. Why does everybody assume this is vanity?

The problem is that you said you're not athletic or not a conditioned athlete, then described exactly what it takes to become a conditioned athletic person - dedication to training and putting in the mileage. Anyone that can run a half marathon every weekend and 30km+ during the week is almost by definition athletic. Yes, nearly anyone can achieve this with the dedication it takes, but that doesn't change the fact yo…

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Post by ativzzz »

Dangeranger wrote: post #94
sz4kerto wrote: post #25

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This is one of the major benefits of LSD (long, slow, distance) running, especially for people who have (a slight) ADHD (like me). It allows you to have solitude. I can't sit down and think quietly for an hour, because I .. just can't cope with the lack of stimuli. Running provides some baseline stimulus at least (plus I always set a specific goal, either a distance or a time goal so that I don't give it up), so I ju…

My ADHD symptoms have been drastically reduced after running daily for the past couple of months. Even while using medication, running improves results on top of what I had been seeing. It also helps to have a physical challenge to complete every day in order to maintain a routine. For my body, I need about 90 minutes of challenging physical exercise every day, or I start to seek stimulation in any form I can find, w…

One of the top recommendations that pretty much every ADHD resource mentions is regular exercise. To be fair, running (exercising) daily will help pretty much everyone's mental health significantly.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by notacoward »

twawaaay wrote: post #230
notacoward wrote: post #228

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Both I and the person I was responding to cited numbers and you come back with "I think"? Really? Here are the results from the Peachtree Road Race, which is the largest 10K in the US. Only 1036/34877 (3%) of participants finished in under 45:00. https://www.athlinks.com/event/115192/results/Event/1016777/... Second largest is Dick's Sporting Goods Bolder Boulder: 1202/27997 (4%). https://www.athlinks.com/event/6172/…

I think you might be looking wrong at how big an accomplishment it is to be in top 3 or 4% of random sample of people in a field where a lot of people do it recreationally. All running events I took part look more or less like this -- there is a line of a dozen or two dozen "serious" people and then there is hundreds or thousands of people that are just doing it for fun. If you put a random sample of drivers on a tra…

Why do you assume it's me who's looking at it wrong? Your own PR is "no big accomplishment" by your own standard, despite having worked hard to get it. Does that seem sensible to you? Would you not have taken offense if I had been the one to dismiss it with a hand-wave? You're not even being consistent here.

A lot of people will run a 5K recreationally, but that's much less true of a 10K. Just completing the distance puts them in a pretty high percentile relative to the general population. I know a lot of dedicated runners, people who have been running three to six times a week for years, who nonetheless have never run a 10K in under 45:00 and never will. Many of them have never even submitted an official time. They're not unfit. They're not obese. They're not doing it for fun, either. They're dedicated and often quite competitive; they're just not fast, and many of them couldn't be even with the utmost dedication.

That's why age-grading exists, and it's based on more science than you seem to know. Even elites lose alveolar density and joint flexibility as they age. That's why all of the world records are held by young people, who also dominate all of the top events. Believe it or not, being over 40 is a thing. It's a significant percentage of the population right there, never mind the younger folks who also range from the disabled through the genuinely lazy to those who are actually super-fit but specialize in other activities or just aren't hyper-competitive enough to devote their time to HIIT and other speed-specific training methods.

> the person that is half percentile from the top result would still be an amateur with poor result

That is simply not true, and it's strong evidence that it's you who lack perspective. Being within half a percentile of the top is an excellent result practically by definition. "Hanging with the elites" is a ridiculous cutoff. Even the person in the middle of the pack for any of those races I cited is a "well conditioned athlete" by any sane set of definitions. In any room of a hundred random people, they'd stand a good chance of being the fittest one there. Moving goalposts to exclude them seems a bit disingenous.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by notacoward »

gnuj3 wrote: post #158
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #128

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You ran 900 miles in 6 months but don’t consider yourself athletic? Um ok you might want to revise that evaluation.

He just wants others to tell him that he is.

The longer this thread continues, the more I think you're right.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by Cd00d »

jeltz wrote: post #211
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #126

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I could easily meet the push up/sit up/pull up bar but I can only run 12 min miles for 5 miles. Pretty interesting how uneven is my conditioning.

My conditioning is also very uneven. Running would be trivial (I ran a half marathon at 7:55 min/mile a couple of days ago), I could also manage sit-ups just fine, would fail on push-ups (but not by much) but can't even do a single pull-up.

I'm the same - it's very easy for me to ramp up miles and pace in endurance sports, but I've never been able to do a pull up.

I do notice I weigh 25-30 pounds less than my friends that are same height and waist size. I'm 6'3" and when fit hover a little under 170 lbs, while everyone else is 190-200. I think it's a distinct lack of muscle.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by jeltz »

notacoward wrote: post #228
jeltz wrote: post #214

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That does not contradict with what he said. If you average 8 km per day I think most men and quite many women would be able to run a 45 minute 10k. You just need to be willing to put in that much hard work and not be obese.

Both I and the person I was responding to cited numbers and you come back with "I think"? Really? Here are the results from the Peachtree Road Race, which is the largest 10K in the US. Only 1036/34877 (3%) of participants finished in under 45:00. https://www.athlinks.com/event/115192/results/Event/1016777/... Second largest is Dick's Sporting Goods Bolder Boulder: 1202/27997 (4%). https://www.athlinks.com/event/6172/…

But your numbers are largely irrelevant. Most people who sign up to races are not regular runners, and do not come close to averaging 8 km per day if you even run at all. If we instead look at a race for regular runners (but still amateurs) we will see vastly different numbers. Also not everyone in a race goes all out, some people run with a slower friend or just run to have fun.

Premiärmilen 2022: 610/1455 (42%)

https://registration.marathongruppen.se/ResultList.aspx?Lang...

Hässelbyloppet 2021 441/1001 (44%)

https://www.marathon.se/racetimer?v=/sv/race/show/4972%3Flay...

Höstrusket 10k 2021: 220/621 (35%)

https://www.marathon.se/racetimer?v=/sv/race/show/5011%3Flay...

Sorry for only citing Swedish races, but from my experience running many races and being a member of running clubs I can say that your 4% is misleading since in many races there are a lot of people who never run. In races where most people run (and many of those still run less than 8 km per day) I expect ~40% of the men to run under 45 minutes.

Edit: That said running 8 km per day is a lot and few people average that outside marathon training programs. Which is also why I doubt even most people running in the races above average close to that much.

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Post by speedgoose »

djsavvy wrote: post #201
speedgoose wrote: post #121

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I didn’t know you could get a watch with more than 24 hours of battery life including GPS tracking (COROS APEX Pro). The accuracy is a bit weird though, the elevation chart doesn’t make sense.

A sibling comment to yours asked about the elevation --- apparently it's actually a measure of air pressure.

That's strange that they use such an inaccurate sensor when they have a GPS.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by twawaaay »

jeltz wrote: post #238
notacoward wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both I and the person I was responding to cited numbers and you come back with "I think"? Really? Here are the results from the Peachtree Road Race, which is the largest 10K in the US. Only 1036/34877 (3%) of participants finished in under 45:00. https://www.athlinks.com/event/115192/results/Event/1016777/... Second largest is Dick's Sporting Goods Bolder Boulder: 1202/27997 (4%). https://www.athlinks.com/event/6172/…

But your numbers are largely irrelevant. Most people who sign up to races are not regular runners, and do not come close to averaging 8 km per day if you even run at all. If we instead look at a race for regular runners (but still amateurs) we will see vastly different numbers. Also not everyone in a race goes all out, some people run with a slower friend or just run to have fun. Premiärmilen 2022: 610/1455 (42%) htt…

And this matches my experience.

I once joined a 10k without much research. It was on the weekend I wanted to run fast 10k (at the time that was 50 minutes for me) and I decided I might want to run it with other people.

The detail I missed was the race was organised by a local sports school to commemorate 50 years of the school and the participants were mostly alumni.

I quickly found myself at the end of the pack and even though finished around 50 minute I was still mostly surrounded by 40 and 50 year olds, everybody younger or my age was far faster than I was.

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