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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by kevinpet »

codeyperson wrote: post #146
sidewndr46 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, this is the most entitled attitude I've seen in a long time. You let your kids play online, where they can communicate with basically anyone. So the solution is to grant a central authority total power to ban anyone who doesn't comply with the standards you want for your children. This is the online equivalent of a homophobe complaining that two men holding hands in the park will turn their children gay.

Bit of a wild comparison. It's more like the online equivalent of someone getting kicked out of Legoland for swearing around the children.

It's more the equivalent of getting banned from driving because someone reported you to Honda, and Honda didn't verify anything.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by morsch »

donatj wrote: post #133
babypuncher wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At first I found it frustrtating, but I've grown to really appreciate Nintendo's approach to this problem. Their multiplayer games (like Splatoon) have no in-game chat or VOIP. It definitely makes it harder to make friends in the games, but it also completely eliminates any and all potential for toxicity and other miscreant behavior. As a result, I'd have no problem letting my hypothetical children play these games o…

It removes any and all reason to play online. Might as well play bots.

You can still play with your friends and communicate over a side channel.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by rightbyte »

rndgermandude wrote: post #180
ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I have no issue with Microsoft setting community standards for the online spaces they run, or anybody else for that matter. But Microsoft is setting community standards for places they do not run here, just because these spaces use their software. This is ridiculous, and sets yet another dangerous precedent. What's next? Maybe Office 360 profanity filter, where your Office 360 account gets banned for writing about th…

> I have no issue with Microsoft setting community standards for the online spaces they run

That is the problem though. They run it, not the users like it used to be.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by rhdunn »

socialismisok wrote: post #143

Oh shit, they are moderating chat in a game for children and responding to player reports? Pretty ghoulish, if you ask me. /S Come on, are we really complaining that public chat is moderated now? Is that really where the bar has sunk to?

Adults play too. Imagine you are an adult Minecraft player who plays in a popular private server with only other adults (e.g. any of the big popular YouTube Minecrafters). You then play on a public server and someone reports you and gets you banned. You now cannot play on that private server or any other multiplayer world, even if it is just you and a friend.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by RUN12 »

curiousgal wrote: post #230
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every couple of months one of his friends will get banned for no reason. I know you want to trust your child’s friends, but “it happened for no reason” is exactly what kids say when they don’t want to own up to the consequences of their actions. Obviously, you can only monitor your own child’s gameplay and not what their friends are doing on their own time. I strongly suspect there’s more going on than you realize.…

> what kids say when they don’t want to own up to the consequences of their actions. Oof. They're kids. Cursing here and there is not the end of the world.

Minecraft does not ban users for profanity. The list of ban offenses is currently:

Hate speech, sexual content and soliciting improper contact, real life threats, exposing the personal information of others, posting links to malicious software, impersonating staff, cheating/exploits (this includes anything that would negatively affect another person’s gameplay experience), general commercial spamming

Profanity is considered the responsibility of specific server moderators since it's a low-level offense that's virtually impossible to police in a game like Minecraft. They're trying to avoid the notoriety recently obtained by Roblox for being a place for adults to exploit children.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by chungy »

GlitchMr wrote: post #228
zarzavat wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I bought my license it came with a promise that the game would be made open source in the future. That never happened.

Minecraft website said the following: > Once sales start dying and a minimum time has passed, I will release the game source code as some kind of open source. I'm not very happy with the draconian nature of (L)GPL, nor do I believe the other licenses have much merit other than to boost the egos of the original authors, so I might just possibly release it all as public domain. This did not happen yet, Minecraft is sti…

It was also a personal (and opinion) statement from Markus Persson (notch), who fully owned the game at the time, predating the formation of Mojang, let alone Mojang's acquisition by Microsoft.

I'm disheartened also by the fact it'll never become open source, but the statement was never legally-binding and never part of the terms that a purchase of Minecraft (in alpha, at that) entailed.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by georgeecollins »

rndgermandude wrote: post #180
ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I have no issue with Microsoft setting community standards for the online spaces they run, or anybody else for that matter. But Microsoft is setting community standards for places they do not run here, just because these spaces use their software. This is ridiculous, and sets yet another dangerous precedent. What's next? Maybe Office 360 profanity filter, where your Office 360 account gets banned for writing about th…

>> But Microsoft is setting community standards for places they do not run here, just because these spaces use their software. This is ridiculous, and sets yet another dangerous precedent.

I agree with what you are saying but of course somewhere Microsoft is probably hoping to convert Minecraft from a game anyone can host to a game that is always connected to some service of theirs. That way they can collect data or sell ads or maybe subscriptions.

I don't like the idea of open source games because you can't crowdsource editorial decisions. But I think gamers are going to be ready for a game that is made by a team, but owned and maintained by the gamers. Probably through a DAO or something like that. How else can you maintain a game for years in the best interest of people who bought it? Just making a game open source isn't enough imo.

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Post by autoexec »

Arnavion wrote: post #118

There's a special kind of irony in putting the text of one's blogpost in a noscript tag for the sake of people who disable JS, but then setting a CSS class on body to make it invisible that is only removed by JS.

Wow, I saw the blank page and just closed the tab. These days I rarely even bother to view the source to look for readable content. Too often there's no content at all, just ads, tracking, and JS. I went back to read what they had. It's not often I'm amused and disappointed at the same time!

One of these days I'm either going to find or end up writing a CSS blocker.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by doodlesdev »

MBCook wrote: post #188

“centralized chat and account moderation goes against everything minecraft stood for” That seems… hyperbolic? I don’t feel like Minecraft has ever stood for anything in particular other than creating worlds and sharing them with others.

I guess the general consensus is that the coolest part of Minecraft is you play it how you want to. This time there is a global restriction on what you and cannot do, reducing this sense of freedom from the sandbox. It's hyperbolic, although I have to admit centralized _anything_ for a sandbox such as Minecraft is pretty lame.
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