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Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by gmac »

polycaster wrote: post #213
locallost wrote: post #202

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That's pretty crazy. We used to spend 1400 KWh as a family of three. Didn't check the latest numbers as a family of four, but I don't expect a lot more. We even cook / bake a lot. What on earth are people spending electricity on?

> What on earth are people spending electricity on? I guess there are just a lot more appliances in use today and we're more lazy. When I, approaching my 40s, compare our household with my parents household when I was a child there a various notable changes in habits: - My mother hang the loundry to dry. We seldomly do this anymore, instead we're using a dryer. These things are insanely power-hungry. - Electronics fo…

I find people’s continued use of tumble dryers pretty surprising.

The air will do it for free!

We have a space-efficient drying rack so we can dry indoors.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by yunohn »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #133
sidkshatriya wrote: post #102

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> That is pretty high for no real value for society in my opinion... There is a widespread belief that Advertising serves no purpose to humanity. Advertising is like anything in life: In high doses it is harmful. In lower doses it is useful. If there are regulators in your country that prevent advertisers from making false claims, even better. Advertising has helped me hone onto products and services in my whole life…

> But there is a space for advertising that is gentler, honest and educational. I don't disagree, but there are a few points that I see differently. First of all, I think that what you're looking for is promotion, that is based on someone or some entity promoting your products and services, putting their face on it and leveraging their reputation of connoisseur of the matter at hand. It's based on trust and works bes…

> Nobody buy smartphones based on adv

What?? If there ever was proof that HN is completely clueless about reality not empathetic of their fellow humans. Ads are not brainwashing.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by fuoqi »

_kbh_ wrote: post #214
fuoqi wrote: post #190

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>Currently we think about the nuclear fleet in the Ukraine which is literally under fire from Russia. It's hilarious how the Western politicians and mass media seriously blame Russia for shelling a nuclear plant which it controls for a number of months. And a lot of people either blindly trust this narrative, or intentionally spread misinformation with the sole goal to demonize Russia as much as possible. It reminds…

> And a lot of people either blindly trust this narrative, or intentionally spread misinformation with the sole goal to demonize Russia as much as possible. No one needs to demonise a country that commits genocide and has its military rape children, the Russians are plenty good at demonising themselves. > As far as I know, the goal of shelling (which for the time being does not target the reactors or the spent fuel s…

>No one needs to demonise a country that commits genocide and has its military rape children,

"Genocide" became a meaningless word because it's used willy-nilly similarly to "terrorism". Even if we are to trust number of civilian deaths reported by Western and Ukrainian sources it's really far from being "genocide". IIRC in relative terms, the US invasion of Iraq with subsequent fight against ISIS is closer to "genocide" than the invasion of Ukraine.

And as for "rape children", it's yet another blatant demonization. The lies became so toxic, Zelensky even had to fire Denisova, the person responsible for distributing most of such claims without properly supporting them with evidence. Most of "Russian soldiers rape children" articles you read in the Western media were citing Denisova.

>The goal of the shelling _is_ to disconnect the power plant

Oh wow... Are you incapable of critical thinking? Like at all? Russians can always physically cut wires in the territory they control.

If they wanted, they could've easily bombed every substation in Ukraine with its missiles. But because they do have some humanitarian considerations, they don't do it (unlike some other countries). As we can see, Russia has no techincal trouble bombing stationary objects as far as the westernmost Ukraine.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by locallost »

tpmx wrote: post #6

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The electricity you don't spend is electricity you don't need to produce. We don't really need electricity, we need to do useful stuff with it. Doing laundry with electricity is useful, as is having a computer network. Are massive glowing screens in the middle of the night useful? That would be a very long discussion, but I say no because any local usefulness is outweighed by their negative impact overall.

Saving electricity is just as useful as adding new capacity, and it's faster, cheaper and easier. As a comparison, the US spends about twice as much electricity as Germany per capita [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electrici...

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by SyneRyder »

tpmx wrote: post #64
adrianN wrote: post #47

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No, but you can power something like 70% of a country with wind power alone. Add in some solar and a few hours worth of storage and you can go 90+%. Add a few days of storage and you reach two nines. A few weeks for more nines.

"Add a few days of storage" This is very non-trivial and will take decades longer than building nuclear power.

Tesla seems to have done it pretty quickly for South Australia:

https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia...

Elon promised "Tesla will get the system installed and working 100 days from contract signature or it is free." And then had the entire thing connected and powering the South Australian power grid in just 63 days:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/10/elon-musk...

I'm fairly confident that 100 days is less than decades.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by mijamo »

gmac wrote: post #231
polycaster wrote: post #213

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> What on earth are people spending electricity on? I guess there are just a lot more appliances in use today and we're more lazy. When I, approaching my 40s, compare our household with my parents household when I was a child there a various notable changes in habits: - My mother hang the loundry to dry. We seldomly do this anymore, instead we're using a dryer. These things are insanely power-hungry. - Electronics fo…

I find people’s continued use of tumble dryers pretty surprising. The air will do it for free! We have a space-efficient drying rack so we can dry indoors.

Air drying clothes indoor is pretty bad. It is slow, takes space, and leaves textile in a bad state (at least for cotton and wool). Drying outside is good but not possible everywhere and not always. Also things like sheets and towels really should not be left to dry indoor.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by morsch »

xxs wrote: post #194
legulere wrote: post #169

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We are using 1000 kWh per year as a couple including hot water. With that we are very low in Germany, but even that is really without much optimization (though we lack some energy-intensive devices like a clothes dryer). Newer devices sold in the EU are relatively energy efficient. A typical fridge-freezer combo uses 150kWh.

>A typical fridge-freezer combo uses 150kWh. That would be a small Fridge efficiency has not increased much in the last decades (LG infamously had an efficient but horrendously unreliable 'linear compressor') - the only part that can increase efficiency is the time(s) it gets opened and how good seals the fridge has, and ambient temperature. Also smaller compressor by design cannot be super efficient. The newer devic…

No, these are much larger fridges.

https://www.otto.de/p/samsung-kuehl-gefrierkombination-bespo...

273l fridge plus 114l freezer, modeled power draw 134kWh. This is a premium product, a less expensive model (similar capacity) takes 166kWh.

https://www.otto.de/p/samsung-kuehl-gefrierkombination-rl36t...

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by jansan »

gmac wrote: post #231
polycaster wrote: post #213

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> What on earth are people spending electricity on? I guess there are just a lot more appliances in use today and we're more lazy. When I, approaching my 40s, compare our household with my parents household when I was a child there a various notable changes in habits: - My mother hang the loundry to dry. We seldomly do this anymore, instead we're using a dryer. These things are insanely power-hungry. - Electronics fo…

I find people’s continued use of tumble dryers pretty surprising. The air will do it for free! We have a space-efficient drying rack so we can dry indoors.

You can also shower in the rain. I have seen people doing it in the 90s in Hannover on the occupied "Sprengelgelände".

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by Bewelge »

soco wrote: post #175
Bewelge wrote: post #134

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Often the entire bus stops are financed by those advertising there. At least that has always been the argument against finally disallowing tobacco/smoking ads in Germany because then smaller communities would (allegedly) not be able to finance these things.

So they could not get any other advertiser blurb on those panels? Difficult to believe.

I'm sure that some communes might struggle paying for something that's been paid for by someone else in the past but the argument really lacks if it's used to justify keeping tobacco ads around.

Like you said, other advertisers would probably happily replace them and even if that's not the case I think a country as wealthy as Germany should be able to find some way to finance bus stops ;-)

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by DocTomoe »

Bewelge wrote: post #151
adrianN wrote: post #63

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Those areas are explicitly excluded from this.

Those areas are the only areas I can think of that have LED signs in Germany though. Of course not entirely sure but I don't think there's a single one of those large LED screens (like the ones on time square) in Hamburg. Maybe Berlin/Frankfurt have some? Unless I'm completely blanking on these signs being used elsewhere, excluding the bus-stop signs sounds like this will not have any noticeable effect apart from pro…

In very rural southern Germany, I know several electronics stores who have 7x4-meter panels, and I know a spot where they are mounted to a mast next to a federal road (with farmland around it). People always think "Times Square", but ultimately, the problem is bigger for the displays are smaller.
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