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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by ElemenoPicuares »

kazinator wrote: post #107
lizardactivist wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They mean the WWW, which is really what the Internet has always been about. And yes, it was invented in Europe.

The web browser which actually made the web usable and popularized it was Mosaic. "Mosaic was developed at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) at the University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign beginning in late 1992." -- Wikipedia Other than Linux's European origin, Europe has not produced any viable operating system or browser. It continues to rely on key software of American origin, like the…

This is one of those "pizza was invented in New York City" arguments. Popularized and refined != invent.

The Brit Tim Berners-Lee designed the architecture, wrote the first browser and web server, and wrote the first HTML spec at CERN around 1989. Mosaic was released in like 1993 after Berners-Lee released his specs and source.

To claim the internet was invented in Europe is equally absurd.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by moretestaccoun »

dang wrote: post #213
throwaway4good wrote: post #76

Hey America - stop spying on our our citizens or we will stop buying your tech. Seriously. We talk about this cloud stuff like it is rocket science. It is not. It is a box in a basement. We are capable of doing that ourselves. And no. It ain’t cool for NSA to sniff around some German governmental software, even though you are the good guys and on our side.

Please don't start nationalistic flamewars on HN. This one was particularly hellish and particularly dumb. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Why is this thread flagged? It looks like one mod is abusing her power.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by modabusing »

dang wrote: post #220
blocked_again wrote: post #113

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Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: actually, I'm seeing so many abusive comments in your account history that I've banned the account. See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32393867 .

Where do we report a mod that is abusing his authority? Dang is banning people left and right without justification.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by alaricus »

dang wrote: post #219

All: the hellish and puerile flamewar that many of you stooped to in this thread is exactly what HN is not for. We ban accounts that post like this, so please don't post like this. What an embarrassment. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I suppose I'd better add that this isn't about which side you're on. It's just about having an international forum that doesn't suck and doesn't destroy itself. All of…

There was no flame war in this thread. But there is clear evidence of abuse and harassment by a mod. I'm flagging dang's post in the hope that a real moderator will look at it.

What an embarrassment indeed. Hackernews deserves better moderation.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by dang »

alaricus wrote: post #234
dang wrote: post #219

All: the hellish and puerile flamewar that many of you stooped to in this thread is exactly what HN is not for. We ban accounts that post like this, so please don't post like this. What an embarrassment. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I suppose I'd better add that this isn't about which side you're on. It's just about having an international forum that doesn't suck and doesn't destroy itself. All of…

There was no flame war in this thread. But there is clear evidence of abuse and harassment by a mod. I'm flagging dang's post in the hope that a real moderator will look at it. What an embarrassment indeed. Hackernews deserves better moderation.

Certainly, people can and do have different ideas of what counts as a flamewar. In that sense it's just a difference of opinion and that's fine. However, we're trying for HN to be a particular kind of web forum. The principles of what we're trying for are expressed at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Many comments in this thread broke those principles quite badly.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by akmarinov »

curiousgal wrote: post #225
akmarinov wrote: post #197

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It’ll be bad for a while, but alternatives will pop up. There’s plenty of money to be made. Europe is Apple’s third largest market, making $90 billion last year alone. You don’t think other companies will step up for even a tiny percent of that?

Why haven't they? OVH is probably in the best spot to do so but their offerings are trash compared to Amazon/Google/Microsoft's.

It’s way easier to set up a business and get funding in the US, with a lot less bureaucracy.

If those US companies were to go away however, the market will adjust to Europe/Asia grown companies.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by [deleted] »

testaccountfor wrote: post #228
dang wrote: post #227

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Words cannot express how little we care what you or anyone else has to say about "US spying" as long as you/they do it within the site guidelines and the intended spirit of the site. From a moderation point of view, the issue is not "US spying", it's "violation of the site rules" - which was happening all over this thread. This was the extreme opposite of "healthy discussion". Btw, your account has been adding to thi…

Thanks for proving my point. "Don't criticise US spying, and I'll threaten you with ban if you do." Not a single rule was violated in the post above. Looks like hackernews needs more responsible moderators.

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by dang »

simion314 wrote: post #223
dang wrote: post #215

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Please don't take HN threads into flamewar, let alone nationalistic flamewar. It's exactly what we don't want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've been breaking the site guidelines in other threads too. We ban accounts that do that, so please stop.

>Please don't take HN threads into flamewar, let alone nationalistic flamewar. Sorry but how can I respond when all the dudes above are accusing Germany and EU that are doing this because protectionism? Probably I should ignore them? Or submit a TicTok article immediately and watch the hypocrisy?

Believe me, I understand how strong the provocation can be, and how hard to resist, but yes, you should probably ignore them. Fighting just feeds it.

Personally I just try to keep reminding myself that humans en masse, and therefore the internet, are basically wrong about everything.

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