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Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by b0afc375b5 »

drexlspivey wrote: post #185
rawoke083600 wrote: post #23

Honest question: Would somebody at this "level" be better than good at something like StarCraft ? Noted that SC takes more than "just strategy" i.e micro comes to mind. Like I would pay good money to see Serral Vs Magnus, maybe after some coaching sessions with Harstem ? :D ? EDIT: Just out of curiosity will there be anything else that someone at this level is "exceptional" good at besides chess ?

Nepo is an ex professional Dota player

Now that's a fun fact! As a dota2 enthusiast on a previous life this is so exciting to learn.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Nepomniachtchi#Video_gam...

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by mattnewton »

moffkalast wrote: post #152
ihateolives wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do I sign up for your daily checker facts newsletter? :)

That's a drake meme if I ever saw one. No -> Fact checkers Yes -> Checker facts

Surely you want fact checked checker facts?

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Post by ShivShankaran »

dmurray wrote: post #71
ShivShankaran wrote: post #27

Russia is playing China in the world championship. I wonder if US is getting a serious heartburn

Four of the world top ten currently [0] represent the US, versus one from each of six other countries. They're the favourites for the upcoming Olympiad. Elite level chess in the US is just doing fine. [0] add your own asterisks for how important it is, but all four moved from abroad, three when they were already world class players

At some point Americans have to realize that this unwarranted hostility towards China, Russia and India will bite them back. It's already biting the lower and middle class back and this is most likely the beginning of the end of American empire led by a senile demented dude.

Love always trumps hate but the arms industry of US will keep pushing for arms inside and outside of US at all times even if the people being murdered are it's own kids.

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Post by cortesoft »

tmjwid wrote: post #208
moffkalast wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinook was obviously playing the long con. Knowing Tinsley's weakness was his humanity, so it continued to draw until his frail human body succumbed to the forces of nature, thus winning once and for all.

It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness, that is life.

Are you saying he busted him up?

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by __s »

soneca wrote: post #166

Can someone please explain to me (someone complete out of the world of chess) why he doesn’t like to compete in the World Championship but likes to compete in other tournaments?

Most tournaments are swiss format, so if you draw all your games you won't win the tournament because the person who wins the tournament will be the person who gets a few wins on top of their draws

In WC it's zero sum, so there's less pressure to find wins

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by Someone »

deltree7 wrote: post #217
matsemann wrote: post #2

Time to change the format. It's understandable you don't want to spend your whole career preparing for these long matches all the time. For the challenger it's 6 months of preparing, but for Carlsen it would've been his 6th time of preparing for this in a few years. They have also become less entertaining. 12 matches is long (edit, 14 now), but no one dares to take any risks. Caruana was just defensive and all games…

Cricket went through a similar revolution and now we have a single game that last 5 days (Tests) which is an intense high-skill perseverance play, a game that last a whole day (One Day Internationals) and a much shorter format (Twenty20) that last 3 hours. All three formats are thriving with some superstars playing all three formats and official World Championships being played in all three formats

I don’t see the test format as thriving. It often seems the players don’t have the patience anymore to play it, losing games that they could have drawn if they had the perseverance needed to try so.

(For those who don’t know cricket: if your opponent is outscoring you heavily, there’s no way to win the game, but by playing defensively, there still is the possibility of “not losing” the game (called a draw. That’s different from a tie, where both teams score the same number of runs. Ties are extremely rare (about 1:1000 matches. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tied_Test), draws fairly common (about ⅓ of all test matches)). Part of the charm of test cricket is that trying harder to win a game also increases the risk of losing it, so teams have to make educated guesses as to whether to pursue that)

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by eimrine »

jstx1 wrote: post #74
smitty1e wrote: post #9

Props to MC for going out literally at the top of his game. As Kipling noted: "Once in a while / We can finish in style".

He's not going out though - he'll keep playing chess and he stated that he wants to remain the best chess player. He's just not playing the World Championship match.

Magnus' streams in blitz chess are way more interesting than official plays IMO.

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Post by kamaal »

deltree7 wrote: post #217
matsemann wrote: post #2

Time to change the format. It's understandable you don't want to spend your whole career preparing for these long matches all the time. For the challenger it's 6 months of preparing, but for Carlsen it would've been his 6th time of preparing for this in a few years. They have also become less entertaining. 12 matches is long (edit, 14 now), but no one dares to take any risks. Caruana was just defensive and all games…

Cricket went through a similar revolution and now we have a single game that last 5 days (Tests) which is an intense high-skill perseverance play, a game that last a whole day (One Day Internationals) and a much shorter format (Twenty20) that last 3 hours. All three formats are thriving with some superstars playing all three formats and official World Championships being played in all three formats

Cricket had a different problem. The game moved to be very batsmen centric(pitch construction) for a good part of 90's and 2000's. This caused most games to end in draws. Batsmen would just play days to make records. Ricky Ponting even said no Australian captain would allow the match to be played purely for records and not for winning.

This eventually happened in ODI's as well. It just all reduced to batsmen playing purely for records. Competition dried out.

T20 suffers from the same problems, and is a big reason why people are so burned out. I have barely watched any cricket in years.

In matches where is there is a good pitch, and something for the bowlers, the test matches are super interesting to watch.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by bluecalm »

My view on this is that the current World Championship cycle achieves the opposite of what it should achieve:

1)There are many tournaments where the best player is not allowed to participate making them tournaments of second bests for no reason other than determining who plays in the Candidates

2)Other tournaments, even those with long tradition, are poisoned by the Candidates because many top players treat them as training ground for the Candidates (hiding preparation or not playing very seriously) or skip them altogether because the Candidates is more important

3) Candidates tournament itself is hyped as the most important event but it by design excludes the strongest player. If you told someone outside of chess about it they would rightly think only a complete moron could have come up with such system

4)Some tournaments with a lot of potential to be fun and competitive (Grand Swiss, The World Cup) cause a lot of controversy because some dinosaurs in the chess world think the strongest player shouldn't be allowed to play. Fortunately saner minds prevailed for now.

What you end up with is a calendar full of events for the second best players which influence all other tournaments in negative way.

Additionally tournaments with a lot of potential (Rapid World Championship for example) are treated as an afterthought by FIDE. 3 day very random event even though rapid chess if widely more popular than classical among casual chess fans.

FIDE does everything to prevent fans from having fun following the game. Imagine half the tennis calendar excluding current number 1 player from participating. It's so ridiculous and obvious watching from the sidelines. Unfortunately a lot of chess insiders literally don't care about the game popularity and think the money they earn grow on trees (or come from the ground as the only serious sponsors FIDE could attract are oligarchs and they oil/gas companies).

I am so happy Magnus is not interested in participating in this shit show any further. His reasons might be personal but it's a great chance more fun formats and tournaments take place and we can all have way more interesting game to follow.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by pmontra »

NhanH wrote: post #52
pmontra wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many national go tournaments have a similar format in all of the 3 countries it's worth talking about (China, South Korea and Japan): the champion waits for the result of the challenger tournaments and plays only the final series of games (3, 5, 7.) International tournaments tend to be shootouts with everybody playing from the first round. You can get a picture of how they are set up by looking at the tournament tabl…

Japan is the only country still have major tournaments with champion vs challenger format. None of the big tournament in China or South Korea has that type of game.

I see. For example the Korean Kuksu had the champion/challenger format until 2008. Then it was discontinued in 2016 but that's another story.

But China's Tianyuan is still champion/challenger (from 2022): https://www.go4go.net/go/tournaments/news/16

I didn't check the others.

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