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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

moomoo11 wrote: post #182
arvinsim wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a case of "I had mine so you all can go f*ck yourselves"

That's not at all what I'm saying but ok. Don't worry, I vote for education reform/strength each time, its something I think is lacking here in some areas.

Lacking? That's putting it mildly. In a lot of poor areas - or areas that are populated mostly by minorities - education is just poor. As in, so poor that there are issues transferring college credits other places in the world.

Realistically, you have it backwards. In some areas, the education is fine. In many - probably the majority - it simply isn't and you'll be indebted for the rest of your life unless you are really lucky. We (Americans) pay teachers poorly and treat a number of students like criminals while punishing those same students in ways that they cannot get the same education as their peers. And this is after we've failed to make sure children have food and housing so that they can put effort towards learning.

"Lacking in some areas"... yeah. With a generous definition of some.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by waffleiron »

pavlov wrote: post #7
jsiaajdsdaa wrote: post #2

However putting this data in the hands of FAANG is no problem at all, and totally can't end up in any nefarious hands.

“We must not do anything about recent thing that is very bad and unpredictable because of this other thing which is also quite bad but we’ve been learning to manage it for 15 years”

However instead of regulating everyone, banning one player and leaving the opportunity for others (including new players) to continue "bad thing" is not a good solution, is it?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by fsflover »

RealStickman_ wrote: post #168
fsflover wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you're an American in America who doesn't travel abroad what is the threat TikTok poses when compared to the FAANGs? They could intentionally influence the public opinion about anything, e.g., elections.

I'm pretty sure Facebook's already been doing that the past few years.

True, but do you want more of it from a totalitarian government?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by hackerlight »

Barrin92 wrote: post #51
hackerlight wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but don't argue that the practice suddenly becomes problematic when others do it. The extent to which it's problematic depends on who's doing it, even if all cases are problematic.

Ironically I think you can make a pretty strong case that both the Chinese and American governments are more of a threat to their own citizens data wise given that citizens tend to primarily be pestered within their own jurisdiction.

That's not unreasonable. What I'd disagree with is if people thought a company based in a foreign liberal democracy presented a similar threat to a company based in China, which has an authoritarian government where state & corporations are largely merged and which is entangled in balance of power disputes with the US.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by sneak »

moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

Censorship always "makes sense" "from a geopolitical standpoint".

It never makes sense from a human rights standpoint.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by moomoo11 »

RektBoy wrote: post #203
moomoo11 wrote: post #160

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Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

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Historically speaking (for millenia), Europeans obliterated my people in the past, enslaved each other and most of the world, and stole so much to build your wealth.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by jollybean »

bsaul wrote: post #193
jollybean wrote: post #43

A bit hypocritical but it's still mostly correct. Also, China is not the US. This is a Giant Thing. China would never, ever, ever allow US companies to have direct influence over their media, so even by basic tit-for-tat rules, this is reasonable. Moreover, even from a 'trade' perspective, if China does not allow such social media apps from US over there, which denies US companies that Ad revenue, the same should be…

the symmetry in anticompetitive practices is actually the only good reason i see for banning the app. Hiding behind pretexts to make it seem based on law will only add an absurd legal precedent to app developers.

The legal reasons are legit. 'Foreign Governments' are not 'Our Government' and of course China is not the US. That matters.

I suggest that the 'deal' should likely involved localized data and internal controls, with oversight, so that the CCP just doesn't have operational access to the data.

Companies at a certain scale have regulatory requirements, it's just like in other industries.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ChrisLomont »

olalonde wrote: post #200
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

First, this ignores that the USA benefits tremendously from trading with other countries, most of all with China. If this mindset was applied universally, the USA (and the world) would be worse off. It also ignores that treating countries as though they are enemies can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It can increase the threat rather than decrease it. Second, it's not necessarily in one's best interest to live in…

> The USA ranks 26th for median wealth

Wealth is also a function of age - older people tend to have more - and that ranking is not normalized by such extraneous factors.

The US is number 2 by median income, and number 1 for median disposable income, both of which are pretty important, especially to younger people that want cash flow to enjoy life.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by [deleted] »

biohacker85 wrote: post #176
hnlmorg wrote: post #116

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Well in that case I hope you don't moan when the EU places heavy restrictions on the data harvesting that American companies do. I get the paranoia around China, I honestly do. I'm not at all unsupportive of the Chinese regime either. But this "one rule for us another for them" principle really needs to stop.

The companies themselves may moan but I don't think everyday Americans really care what the EU does. > But this "one rule for us another for them" principle really needs to stop. Why would any nation treat foreign companies equal to their own? I don't see the problem especially when its from an adversary or a nation who's companies are an extension of their government.

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