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Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by solarkraft »

stickfigure wrote: post #206
throwaway4aday wrote: post #53

Can someone explain why this won't result in a renaissance for peer to peer and e2e encrypted chat/forums/social media etc.? When government or industry makes it nearly impossible for consumer needs to be met we inevitably see a grey and black market spring up to meet those needs. My prediction is that if legislation like this becomes widespread we'll see a freely distributed application rise to prominence among a ga…

More likely it will result in crippling the domestic UK tech industry while everyone else in the world ignores it. I really don't see most countries extraditing someone for the high crime of "let british users access a website without verifying their age".

This has been said about the EU, but the market has proven to just be too big to ignore.

It could also be the reverse (see authoritarian countries), with international players leaving the market and local ones filling the space.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by metadat »

zo1 wrote: post #227
metadat wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this common knowledge? It's the first claim I've encountered of Canada attempting Internet censorship.

I googled it and found Bill C-11. Not going to dig deeper into it and confirm details, but maybe you didn't hear about it for a reason?

Thanks, I'm not living in .ca at the moment. I do believe Canadians appreciate their Internet freedom.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by corobo »

antonymy wrote: post #76
namlem wrote: post #55

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It will probably just lead to a rise in VPNs to access services that block British users.

My immediate thought as well. As this law will apply to ANY service available to UK users the only feasible solution for smaller websites and app developers will be exclusion to avoid liability. So UK users will simply start using VPNs to by pass region blocks.

Sucks to be us idiots that happen to be working on tech businesses in the UK.

I wonder if I can put an IP block on my own site and just ignore it all too. Dumbass country.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by M2Ys4U »

cowtools wrote: post #75
HeckFeck wrote: post #59

I dread to think what this will mean for the free and open Internet - the source of much mirth, yes, and much dread. But that's just a reflection of the human condition. It should be just left be. Another case of myopic, joyless stodges ruining what they don't understand. I've paid enough taxes to this worthless, bloated institution that claims to 'protect my liberties' - is it too late to get a refund? Don't they ow…

Brits don't have freedom of speech AFIK. it was never in their social contract.

Err... you might want to give the ECHR a read, and in particular Article 10.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by wyager »

TeeMassive wrote: post #224
fguerraz wrote: post #151

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Don't worry, blocking p2p is the next step and is extremely easy to do. China has done it already and it's very effective: * Force every service provider to register their IPs and domains (for CDN use) * Force every ISP to do stateful firewalling and block every attempt to establish a new connection unless the destination IP is on a whilelist maintained by the government. Problem solved.

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Please don't use this thread to shill a shitcoin that doesn't even remotely attempt to solve the issue being discussed in the thread. Even if the shitcoin itself weren't stupid, it's specifically targeting low-power iot devices, not general internet usage.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by solarkraft »

LatteLazy wrote: post #214
vgel wrote: post #169

If I, a US citizen, started an online service that attracted Ofcom attention, what binds me to following UK regulations? The article mentions "extraterritorial enforcement", but what does that mean? Will the US extradite me to the UK if I don't put monitoring in place? Will I get arrested if I visit the UK? Will they try to sue me in US court? I mean realistically if it became a problem I'd just IP-block all of the U…

In theory yes, in practice the US basically never extradites people to the UK and if they tried you would probably have a good defence (against extradition) under various parts of the constitution.

Weird how it only goes one way, isn't it?

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by M2Ys4U »

rikroots wrote: post #185
nickmyersdt wrote: post #139

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What happened in 1997?

Probably the Treaty of Amsterdam - one of the EU's more entertaining reads https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/treaty/pdf/amst-en.pdf The UK Human Rights Act landed in 1998. Schedule 1 Part I Article 10 covers "freedom of expression" https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part...

Even prior to the Human Rights Act the UK was bound by Article 10 of the EChHR, it just wasn't directly enforceable by UK courts (one first had to exhaust domestic legal challenges and then bring a case in Strasbourg at the ECtHR)

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by rarec »

solarkraft wrote: post #231
stickfigure wrote: post #206

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More likely it will result in crippling the domestic UK tech industry while everyone else in the world ignores it. I really don't see most countries extraditing someone for the high crime of "let british users access a website without verifying their age".

This has been said about the EU, but the market has proven to just be too big to ignore. It could also be the reverse (see authoritarian countries), with international players leaving the market and local ones filling the space.

The EU's a bit bigger than the UK by a fair margin.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by M2Ys4U »

rlpb wrote: post #226
M2Ys4U wrote: post #222

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>However, the draft bill doesn't seem to say that. I found the draft here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-online-safe ... (and note that the article doesn't seem to link it, which seems odd). You're linking to the draft bill. Burns has linked to the actual bill as amended in the Commons: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-03/0121... (it's linked under the heading of "How to read th…

Ah, thanks. Looks like there's not an actual bill yet, but there is a second draft bill. However, I looked at the definitions in there and they remain essentially the same. My concerns still stand.

> Ah, thanks. Looks like there's not an actual bill yet, but there is a second draft bill.

No, there's definitely a bill. It's had its first and second readings and it's in committee stage in the Commons: https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137

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