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You should compare Ukraine to Cuba, not Vietnam. You know, when US almost nuked Cuba and USSR just because Cuba is too close for comfort? Sort of like Ukraine is for Russia?
Right, because of all the nuclear missiles stationed in the Ukraine.
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1. 'The West' wasn't hubristic, Europe was. The US has been telling Europe to get off of Russian gas & oil for decades, under multiple administrations. Both parties have been extremely clear about this for over two decades now. 'I'm astounded at how many people continue to live in the 3rd fantasy of believing Ukraine could somehow "defeat" Russia while still avoiding WW3' 2. The US lost in Vietnam without using nukes…
> The US has been telling Europe to get off of Russian gas & oil for decades, under multiple administrations Yeah and buy American liquefied gas instead. Thanks but no thanks.
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So your saying that Germany should retake Kaliningrad then?.
Maybe they are going for this? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Reich#/media/Datei:D...
Many European territories were kingdoms won, owned and transferred between them.
Why do you think so many of Germany and France's kingdoms were spread around non contiguous regions?
Kaliningrad was handed over to the Soviet Union as a result of an agreement among the allies. That it belongs to Russia is accepted.
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Crimea never belonged to Ukraine. It was in the Soviet era that Crimea was made part of Ukraine. Once an Ukrainian govt hostile to Russia took over it was inevitable that Russian tanks would move in. Why do guys like you think that Russia is ready to cut of direct control of a port important to its maritime and naval operations? When America invaded Panama to guarantee its control of the Panama canal where were you?…
Crimea belongs to Ukraine since 1990, this was recognised also by Russia. The Russian invasion was not inevitable, Russia could have chosen a path of friendship. I am stating facts, you are spreading misinformation.
You seriously expect Russia to have its military and merchant ports in Crimea under NATO control as a sign of "friendship"?
What kind of crack do you have in your pipe?
If you want to be fair then you might as well have Crimea revert to Turkey as it was part of Ottoman Empire in the past, or perhaps the Tatars can have it back if you want.
You prefer to view the world through the reality distortion field of the Western media controlled by the military-pharmaceutical-financial industrial complex. Fine. Have it you way.
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Maybe they are going for this? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Reich#/media/Datei:D...
Germany don't want Kaliningrad because they have direct access to the sea already. Many European territories were kingdoms won, owned and transferred between them. Why do you think so many of Germany and France's kingdoms were spread around non contiguous regions? Kaliningrad was handed over to the Soviet Union as a result of an agreement among the allies. That it belongs to Russia is accepted.
You clearly have some framework of what "is accepted" in terms of territory and what isn't. Somehow Kaliningrad is valid, but Crimea isn't.
I am not going to change your mind, but let me say this for the others who are reading here:
None of this matters.
Some time in the 20th century, most of the world agreed to stop trying to expand their territory and accept the borders as they were at the time. This led to prosperity, safety and peace.
Russia is breaking this contract, creating suffering and hardship.
It's far too late to change this. You cannot restructure the energy sources of a whole continent in a few months or even years. This could've been fixed if the West had understood and reacted appropriately to the magnitude of the Russian threat about 10 years ago, as foreseen by academics like Stephen Cohen and businessmen like Bill Browder, instead of blindly falling for its own hubristic self-delusion (which contin…
> 2. we believed our leaders would have the sense to settle with Russia instead of destroying our country. What settlement could Ukraine have with Russia that wouldn't be the end of Ukraine? Russia is demanding that Ukraine allow part of its territory to secede and form "independent" nations, as well as have Ukraine avoid bolstering its ability to protect itself from its neighbours. Do you think those countries won't…
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What I find most sad is, how differently we treat eg. USA when they decide to destroy a sovereign country due to their interests, compared to eg. now russia... I'm from slovenia, and we even sent soldiers to help them in afghanistan, and we still have them in syria... somehow noone mentions words like "war", "occupation", "civilian deaths" etc., when our soldiers are there...
and why is it that we continue to do immense trade with china, given their treatment of various people? their extreme pollution(the green agenda is supposedly holier than the pope), why is it that we happily buy a gazillion trinkets from king pooh but putin is simply unacceptable in ALL ways. china is arguably far worse.
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This is not a proxy war. Russia is involved directly on its border. A proxy war is in a far off land.
It is a proxy war for the US. After all, Russia is not at war with Ukraine, it is at war in Ukraine, against NATO.
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Maybe they are going for this? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Reich#/media/Datei:D...
Germany don't want Kaliningrad because they have direct access to the sea already. Many European territories were kingdoms won, owned and transferred between them. Why do you think so many of Germany and France's kingdoms were spread around non contiguous regions? Kaliningrad was handed over to the Soviet Union as a result of an agreement among the allies. That it belongs to Russia is accepted.
Like how Crimea was handed over to the Ukrainians by the Soviet Union
That Crimea belongs to Ukraine is accepted.
Russia made a huge mistake pushing further, not many people seemed to do anything when Russia took Crimea, but now it sure looks like they could lose badly enough and lose Crimea itself, and by that their black sea fleet entirely.
It's far too late to change this. You cannot restructure the energy sources of a whole continent in a few months or even years. This could've been fixed if the West had understood and reacted appropriately to the magnitude of the Russian threat about 10 years ago, as foreseen by academics like Stephen Cohen and businessmen like Bill Browder, instead of blindly falling for its own hubristic self-delusion (which contin…
Later maybe we'll get a more moderate government in Russia and they'll give up the neo fascist dictatorship thing?