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EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by cafed00d »

I hope Apple turns Xcode features into a tiered pricing model to counter balance and keep developers in check.

1. Want to use the swift compiler? Pay $5000 per year per user (pretty competitively priced if you compare it to the MATLAB Compiler) 2. Want to click any of the “Services” buttons to enable “Siri” etc in your app? $100 per user per year 3. Want to log and instrument your iOS app in production? $1000 per device 4. Want to… (you get my point)

Disclaimer: I work at Apple and use all their products. I worked at Mathworks many years ago and saw this thread about the Compiler license https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/248667-how-m...

Institutionalized 3p developers should be treated like adversaries; they are vile, nefarious tricksters. They’re just as “monstrous” as Apple or Google are purported to be. My 3p app experiences from the days before 2010s was riddled with shitty installer’s phantom installing “cnet downloader”; and, fearfully installing plethora of antivirus software (which always seemed to find viruses according to their scanning progress bar)

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Post by jahewson »

enragedcacti wrote: post #215
madeofpalk wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there was not even a way to get access with any kind of forms or such if you had a competing plastic card firm What does this mean? Apple is not a payment processor. The banks sign deals with Apple put make their cards available through Apple Pay, but the payment still goes through the payment networks (visa, mastercard, amex) and the banks.

They aren't a payment processor, they are a payment provider . You are correct that most banks have deals with Apple and thus cards are available, but Paypal, Venmo, Cashapp, Google Pay, etc. can't be used as a default payment provider for purchases on the iPhone. Apple reportedly makes about 0.15% of each purchase through Apple Pay[1]. [1] http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/12/more-apple-pay-details/

Of course they can’t, because they’re not credit/debit cards. What’s the PoS going to do with a PayPal NFC? Nothing. It’s like complaining they don’t support bitcoin - neither do the stores!

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

gamblor956 wrote: post #184
VyseofArcadia wrote: post #85

I really hope Sony and Nintendo are classified as gatekeepers as well because this > Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. would be huge for Playstation and Switch owners.

Not really similar. Sony, MS, and Nintendo already allow games to be purchased from other retailers, and always have. (See, for example, Game Stop, Best Buy, Target, etc.) Even digital downloads can be purchased from other retailers (i.e., Amazon). Thus, their in-console storefronts are just one of several options that players can use to purchase games. In contrast, the only way to get iPhone apps is through the App…

From the perspective of a game developer that distinction is irrelevant. They still need the final blessing of Sony/Nintendo/MS in order for their games to run on end user's consoles.

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Post by joshstrange »

Apocryphon wrote: post #161
philliphaydon wrote: post #156

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There’s nothing to improve. Developers want push notifications on a web browser for mobile? That’s not an improvement. Firefox is a better browser than chrome but you can’t move people away from chrome. So regardless of what you think. Adding other browsers to iOS will only have a negative long term effect.

Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.

It's not a shallow dismissal and your comments only prove you either don't understand the landscape or are choosing to ignore what's staring you in the face.

Try to use any google property on Safari (or non-chrome browser on any platform) and see all the times Google tries to push you to use Chrome and/or sign into your google account. When logged in it puts a banner at the bottom of every google search and when you aren't logged in it shows a modal that takes 1/3rd of the page.

Google reigns supreme on the web from everything from search to email and docs/drive/etc. Their reach is massive. They have in the past and will continue in the future to use that reach to push people to use their browser engine. How does Apple/Safari/Webkit compete with that? It's not that the browser is better but that the sites they visit push them to use a different browser.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by the_duke »

ajaimk wrote: post #121

EU regulation just ruins tech in my opinion. GDPR was great in principle but all we ended up with was annoying cookie pop ups. Apple did a much better job with App Tracking Privacy. And not, EU so regulating that to make it worse

The problem with GDPR is underspecification and bad enforcement because the agency of the country where the company is registered is responsible, and the fuzzy nature of the law allows companies to drag out fees with long legal battles.

The annoying popups are basically malicious compliance.

We'll see how things play out here, but this time there are a lot of provisions that should make enforcement easier.

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Post by efields »

synu wrote: post #144
Aulig wrote: post #106

This is excellent. As an app developer, I'm looking forward to side-loading, other browser engines and not being forced to use in-app-purchases.

As a regular user I’m looking forward to all the same!

As a regular user, I have no intention of side loading anything! Don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything! Enlighten me.

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Post by ksec »

izacus wrote: post #130
ajaimk wrote: post #117

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While I want this to be true, consoles only exist because of game revenue. Not sure a $2000 PS5 is as appealing

All new consoles are sold with profit or breaking even so I don't know where this assertion even comes from. Not to mention that they happily double dip by taxing for games, charging online service subscriptions and getting extra revenue via online stores.

>Double Dip.

So now earning profits on hardware and charging for software or services are double dipping?

I really hate the Apple used this term and it is now spreading everywhere.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by joshstrange »

sph wrote: post #6

Happy that I might be able to install something else than Safari. I want the Gecko engine on iOS. Sad that being in UK probably means we'll ignore it because "Brexit." I got a text the other day telling me that, since we've left the EU, roaming charges are back. Hurray! Without making this about politics, this is a great step forward. Still unsure how Apple & co. will make their proprietary video and messaging platfo…

> Happy that I might be able to install something else than Safari.

I hope you like Chrome then.

> I want the Gecko engine on iOS.

It will probably exist in some official capacity (not just the open source wrappers like IceWeasel or whatever they call it) but it will probably get about as much love as it does on Android which is to say not much at all. Also the market share will be <1% if I had to guess which means no developers are going to test on it and might even just user-agent sniff and block you. Chrome/Google will use all their properties and power to push users to install Chrome and it will become the defato browser for all of desktop and mobile. I'm not looking forward to that.

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Post by Apocryphon »

joshstrange wrote: post #234
Apocryphon wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.

It's not a shallow dismissal and your comments only prove you either don't understand the landscape or are choosing to ignore what's staring you in the face. Try to use any google property on Safari (or non-chrome browser on any platform) and see all the times Google tries to push you to use Chrome and/or sign into your google account. When logged in it puts a banner at the bottom of every google search and when you…

Apple can double down on privacy and security and brand Safari as the browser that won't steal your data. Own that space, spread the marketing, they have enough capital to create solutions. You might as well ask how iOS can compete with Android. This continuous insistence that Apple is helpless is completely anachronistic and demeaning to Apple itself.

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Post by kuratkull »

hef19898 wrote: post #66
kmlx wrote: post #61

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> So what? if your goal is more protectionism, then it’s great. but if you want to produce market leaders then it’s bad.

If by market leader you mean creating monopolies, or oligopolies, there are rules againstt that in place. So there seems to be some concensus of seeing those outcomes as non desireable. And those rules cover consumer protection and choice, Microsoft has some experience with that when it comes to Internet Explorer.

Being a monopoly is not against the law. Abusing your monopoly is.
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