France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 12:57 PM UTC

pcthrowaway wrote: post #228

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #209

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> I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. I don't even know how that is possible unless one is extremely unattentive. In my experience, vegan and vegetarian substitute products are universally located in the specialty section of the grocer and nearly universally advertise their plant-based status prominently. These products cost more than the real thing, so why try to fool anyone into thinking they're real meat? Th…

To be fair, "Beyond" products (Beyond burgers, beyond sausage) require grocery stores that carry them to place them in the meat section (though the store may also place them with the vegan meats). The idea is that people will get introduced to "close-tasting" plant-based meat alternatives, and it seems to have worked out pretty well for them, since they've been incredibly successful. It's been 18 years since I've eat…

Post by gfsdfdsafdsafdt » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:04 PM UTC

tommit wrote: post #225

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Well yeah, we opted for `milk` because it's easier and I do call it milk in my everyday usage if that comforts you. I did get caught up in the post I replied to though, so I apologize for using a degrading sounding name for milk. My point is, milk is not as clear cut as you think it is: there is cow milk, goat milk, sheep's milk, coconut milk, in German we even have a type of cleaning product that we call a variation…

Post by myvoiceismypass » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:31 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #26

briandoll wrote: post #22

In the US, the dairy industry tried this and thankfully lost (in California): The Animal Legal Defense Fund represented Miyoko’s Kitchen in its challenge of unconstitutional restrictions placed on plant-based dairy products’ marketing and labeling Miyoko makes vegan cheese and brought the California Department of Food and Agriculture to court to challenge their ban on the term "cheese" to represent her products. She…

That would be completely fair, assuming the reverse is true as well. That is, being able to sell real cheese as "vegan cheese" to trick vegans into eating it. I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. They don't deserve protection either.

Post by gfsdfdsafdsafdt » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:49 PM UTC

tommit wrote: post #187

HermanMartinus wrote: post #182

The purpose of the names of these products being "steak", "sausage", etc isn't to trick meat eaters into eating something they don't want to. It's to illustrate what they are. Let's take a vegan burger patty for example. What's a better illustration of what is in the packet? "Vegan burger patty" or "Flat concoction of soy and other ingredients". It illustrates use.

The people arguing in this thread about how they "were tricked into buying something vegan, yuck!" are not arguing in good faith IMO. They are so adamant in their diet and (I'm guessing) feel threatened by the change in recent years. Being vegan isn't really an outlier that everyone makes fun of anymore. I used to do the same a few years back, until the gradual realization came that this is the direction we're clearl…

Post by 31835843 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 1:51 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #26

briandoll wrote: post #22

In the US, the dairy industry tried this and thankfully lost (in California): The Animal Legal Defense Fund represented Miyoko’s Kitchen in its challenge of unconstitutional restrictions placed on plant-based dairy products’ marketing and labeling Miyoko makes vegan cheese and brought the California Department of Food and Agriculture to court to challenge their ban on the term "cheese" to represent her products. She…

That would be completely fair, assuming the reverse is true as well. That is, being able to sell real cheese as "vegan cheese" to trick vegans into eating it. I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. They don't deserve protection either.