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Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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Wealthy people are 1% of the population. If only wealthy people like you more when you wear flashy clothes, it says almost nothing about whether people in general like you more. If you wear a purple suit and an ostrich feather in your hat, pimps will like you more.

I talked about that - people not wearing expensive clothes themselves usually don't notice my expensive suit at all, so there's no influence. Sometimes people do notice, but I never had a negative experience out of it.

The reason I mention that is because it just seems like your comment is about how exquisite your taste is, and I couldn't see any relationship with the article.

Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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Now redo the study, but IRL and with actual status clothes == high quality materials, perfect fit, nice flashy style (that means zero logos!). I made this experiment: I have few really cheap suits (looking OK but that's it) and few very expensive suits. When I wear the cheap ones, people are normal with me. When I wear the expensive ones, people wearing normal clothes don't notice and people "in the know" (wearing ex…

It totally depends - know rich people who wear understated but expensive clothes with no labels.

Also know the ones who like peacocking - flaunting the big Armani/DKNY/GUCCI logos.

Most wealthy people IMO don't want to draw attention to themselves.

The nouveau rich are the ones screaming for attention!

Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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I refuse to wear or display any corporate logo, even if I generally like the company or its products. I buy unbranded clothing. When I can't get something unbranded (like a decent parka), I remove or obliterate the logo. I covered the apple on my phone and computer with electrical tape, even though I've been a Mac user for nearly 30 years. I am not a billboard. I reject status and status seeking behavior. I refuse to…

I have a blockbuster video t-shirt that gets lots of laughs. Are we allowed to advertise already bankrupt businesses?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbuster_(Bend,_Oregon)

Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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Now redo the study, but IRL and with actual status clothes == high quality materials, perfect fit, nice flashy style (that means zero logos!). I made this experiment: I have few really cheap suits (looking OK but that's it) and few very expensive suits. When I wear the cheap ones, people are normal with me. When I wear the expensive ones, people wearing normal clothes don't notice and people "in the know" (wearing ex…

What room are you getting laughed out of that is composed of normal people in normal clothes and also rich people in expensive suits, but who would laugh someone out of the room in a luxury brand?

This whole comment is bizarre to me, I'm not sure what to make of it. Who cares what is ridiculous to "actually rich people"? You realize they're also just people right, with their own biases and flaws?

Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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In the US at least, a lot of people wear athleisure clothing and that stuff almost always has a logo on it somewhere.

Maybe it’s because I shop at Costco often but not a single piece of my athletic nor leisure clothing has a logo on it

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Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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I talked about that - people not wearing expensive clothes themselves usually don't notice my expensive suit at all, so there's no influence. Sometimes people do notice, but I never had a negative experience out of it.

The reason I mention that is because it just seems like your comment is about how exquisite your taste is, and I couldn't see any relationship with the article.

In certain circumstances you are much more likely to be meeting with wealthy people. In those cases, perhaps clothing that gives a bad impression on average will actually give a good impression.

Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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a lot of salt in these comments about fashion logo wear, which I mostly agree with, but what about band shirts? I'm strictly band shirts and have been for like 20 years. if there's one thing I'll freely advertise its the music that I like, and wearing the right shirt at the right time can bring happiness to and lead to some interesting interactions with peers and strangers alike. gone are the days of casual Friday so…

People are real salty here. Yeah, being a walking billboard is pretty silly, but what if we like the way the logo looks? There's a reason The Misfits are more successful with merch than music: because people like to wear stuff with awesome skulls on it. Take your designer nonsense and give me cool logos any day.

Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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And fashion has supplanted function. Anecdata from just last week... My partner wanted some new running trainers. She went to a popular high-street store here in the UK called JD Sports and said to the assistant "I'm looking for some new running shoes". In a bizarre fit of honesty the lady said: "Sorry we don't really do running gear here, we sell more fashion items." I'm sure her manager would have been appalled to…

there was some article from New Yorker or NYTimes – with a quick google search I can't seem to find it at the moment. but the thesis was basically: sports wear has often influenced mainstream fashion since even like 100 years ago. but in each generation, people find it initially shocking to see so many people wearing what is marketed and made for sportswear for leisure, or even seeing it spill into the workplace. i t…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportswear_(fashion)

Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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Not surprised. The hot style right now is "authenticity" and typical high status clothing is associated with just the opposite of that.

Yes, but authenticity as value signaling, not as a commitment to behave without unnecessary layers. I lived in a meditation center for a year, and I saw some people there that claimed to be authentic, and worked to look like the stereotype. But they were actually hiding a desire for materialism and the failure to live up to it behind the apparent choice of rejecting it. Irony can be pretty ironic.

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Re: Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you

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A friend from the fashion industry's distilled and mostly-verbatim wisdom:

Learn what expensive fabric feels like. Have a friend buy you 4 price tiers of clothing with the exact same fabric composition; try them on blindfolded. Focus on fabric only, not fit. At some price point you will stop feeling a difference. There's no reason to pay for what you can't feel.

A 100-dollar shirt tailored for 30 dollars exceeds a 500-dollar shirt in appearance but not in feel.

A hoodie is a hoodie at any price point.

All denim looks identical. Jeans that are the exception to this rule usually come from smaller makers, usually cost over 250 dollars, and usually last 5 to 7 years, and will look best midway through its life when the way in which the threads wear betrays its quality, like a proper Persian rug.

A 200-dollar suit is like a paper bag, no matter your tailor.

Your tailor is your shirt's second-best friend. Your shirt's best friend is diet and exercise.

If you dress too similarly to your colleagues, you are a school of fish. If you dress too differently, you are a shark, or a squid, or some other thing. Neither of these is a great idea.

Never mention the brand of your clothing. Ever. Seriously.

A logo is a brand's way of forcing you to mention them.

And finally, my favorite:

Look on the street. Nearly everyone is wearing something boring. And everyone got up in the morning and looked in the mirror and thought, "this is okay." If you saw one of my models walking along the street before we shoot, they would be the same! — except they're wearing beauty, also. But nobody believes buying the clothes could ever make you look that way. So that can't be what we're selling, no? What we are doing is taking a beautiful human and deciding what furniture to place them on, how to adjust their posture and expression, what country we'll be in, the exact hour of day, whether our photographer makes it all seem triumphant or melancholy or joyful or pensive. There must be some art to it, or everyone on the street would walk around looking as though they are moving from frame to frame in a series of friezes, and no one would pay me. You even know you are buying a fantasy from me, don't you? [Sure.] And can you tell me what that fantasy is? Not beauty... even the model's beauty is in service to, the idea that for a moment, everything in life falls into this perfect kind of space, some harmony... So to be stylish is to both take all this constantly in the same moment you appear that these things do not even exist to you — that you are as you might find a bird perched in a tree, just being, and meanwhile God smiled a beautiful poetry upon you. But I am guessing this is not the recommendation you were looking for.

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