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US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Meanwhile RUB to USD is at its highest in nearly 5 years. Cutting Russia off from SWIFT has only strengthened their ties to India and China. Russia is still invading Ukraine, and now we're dealing with soaring food and energy prices at home. At some point you have to consider whether this level of diplomatic incompetence is intentional.

> diplomatic incompetence What other mechanisms does the world have to try to stop Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Boots on the ground?

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Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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You're literally asking for more death and destruction. Just think of what you're saying. Russia wins this war no matter what and the pointless cheerleading from the media and some politicians has been nothing but disposing of Ukrainian lives for the sole purpose of getting some type of bizarre revenge on Russia who they believe got Trump elected, or something. Sending more and more weapons only prolongs it and adds…

"Hitler wins this war no matter what, just let him kill all the Jews and enslave non-Aryans so that we could avoid needless deaths and suffering" — does that sound right to you? This is exactly how this ignorant nonsense sounds to a Ukrainian. This is genocide. Not resisting means millions killed and tens of millions brutally oppressed, a whole nation and its culture erased from existence, and an invitation for furth…

Yeah, I don't think they are similar at all. This current situation is way more nuanced. This isn't Hitler blitzing into France.

This is not genocide, you're exaggerating here. Honestly, if anything the Russian culture of the Eastern regions Russia is about to take was being wiped out. That was the actual genocide. It's why there are so many Russian supporting people there.

When Russia came into Kiev I agree, it was a step too far and the Ukrainian's needed to fight. But now Russia is only attempting their main mission of taking Donbas, etc. It's time to cease fire and negotiate and stop the pointless death at this point.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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post #62

Meanwhile RUB to USD is at its highest in nearly 5 years. Cutting Russia off from SWIFT has only strengthened their ties to India and China. Russia is still invading Ukraine, and now we're dealing with soaring food and energy prices at home. At some point you have to consider whether this level of diplomatic incompetence is intentional.

> Meanwhile RUB to USD is at its highest in nearly 5 years Is that meant to demonstrate economic strength? * Russians have massive amount of brain drain. Most of tech employees have left, leaving only people extracting oil, people who turn it into fertilizer and gasoline and supporting roles. * They can't build military tech because of sanctions. Starting to use 1950s and 1960s tanks. * They've privatized and violate…

* Those who left have already returned, my coworkers never left, nor will I in near future.

* Electronics can be imported via China and Kazakhstan. Thousands of kilometers of line of contact, plenty of T62's in good condition, why not give them to separatists? It is not as if Ukraine has anything better to offer. Cruise, ballistic missiles on the conveyor and in the air. Every day and night.

* So? You are not planning to restart the business in the near future as a result of your position? Bye. Toyota, Honda, and Nissan have all already announced their return. Asian cars it is. Although, cars are still very expensive.

* Lol. Again, China and Kazakhstan. It's been cheaper to order from China than ever before (or since 2016 as I remember). Aside from that, phones and other electronics are available in store at prices even lower than before due to market rate prices. GPU's are literally more accessible than three months ago.

What hurts is inflation, but it's everywhere. Also, it's kinda annoying not to be able to pay for some services that I usually use through russian bank's credit card. I guess I'll need to travel to another country in order to get a regular card, many russians did that already.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Anyone claiming that we could be 100% non-nuclear non-CO2 is completely delusional. There are only a few tiny examples (like Greenland) that have sufficiently bizarre local sources of energy. And that’s not even taking into account plastics, fertiliser etc. The price of this delusion is being paid right now: impeding famine, energy costs exploding, Europe financing Russian war in Europe. The goal was “clean abundant…

> sufficiently bizarre local sources of energy What's this bizarre local source of energy that Greenland has that apparently nobody else does? There's water and fossil fuels in the rest of the world too ... https://www.worldometers.info/electricity/greenland-electric...

Oops Greenland was wrong, I meant Iceland.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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I do believe that it's not "at all cost" though. Otherwise a nuclear power could do literally anything and you wouldn't be able to stop them "because nukes". If Putin started rolling tanks into Poland saying "don't stop me or I'll fire nukes" that would be the time to call his bluff, even if the consequences of getting this wrong are dire. The line has to be somewhere - right now it's the border of NATO member countr…

You forget there are two red lines and vague space between them. For NATO the borders of its members are red line. For Putin the red line is borders of Russia, that include Crimea and L/DPR for now. There is no way Putin leaves Crimea and nukes are not send to the Washington.

Ever wondered how Russia became the largest country out there?

The borders of Russia end where Russia gets a bloody snot.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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post #207

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There's already NATO bases in the Barents Sea (and Turkey via the Black Sea) in addition along their land borders via the baltic states (minus Belarus). Their actions have also pushed Finland and Sweden into the arms of NATO. The thing about the Cuban missile crisis is that Kennedy was able to get Russian missiles AWAY from the United States. Russia's actions are getting hardware placed closer. And why is that? Proba…

>The thing about the Cuban missile crisis is that Kennedy was able to get Russian missiles AWAY from the United States. It only happened in the first place because the US put missiles in Turkey. Take them away and suddenly the soviet union is ok with removing the cuban nukes. In this case a simple "Ukraine wont be joining NATO" would have prevented this war. >Russia's actions are getting hardware placed closer. The s…

It's amazing how many people just can't seem to see any reason for Russia's behavior other than making their leader into a cartoon who just wants to do evil things to be evil.

Honestly, since the Soviet Union collapsed, NATO has only expanded and crept closer and closer to Russia. How are they supposed to feel? As for this particular thing - the areas they are want are mainly Russian anyways and recent Ukrainian pol's have done everything they can to marginalize the people and their Russian cultures in these regions.

Russia isn't perfect but this is a nuanced thing and was preventable through diplomacy.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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- https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-to-hike-russian-minimu... - https://fortune.com/2022/06/14/putin-russia-oil-gas-profit-r... - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-10/russia-cu... Keep mind that the Russian government budget operates on a $40 gallon barrel of oil budget.

Nobody has argued Russia isn't making a killing off its energy portfolio. But a quarter of a billion dollars of revenue , not profit, in a booming global economy no less, doesn't make up for a similar quantity of frozen reserves. Russia is weaker and poorer than it was at the end of last year. The Russian state is doing far better than was expected, domestically. Credit due where owed. But it's a growing share of a s…

Everyone is poorer than last year, unfortunately.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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And I, as an European, hate EU government for taking a self destructive way of introducing various sanctions that affect lives of the EU citizens in a very negative ways, without doing anything to help their proclaimed goals. At this point I am not sure if they are stupid, evil, corrupt or they just despise and hate their citizens. Or maybe all of that. You Americans are least have a pragmatic government that at leas…

You, as a European, must know that this problem has been brewing for years, since the Germans decided to turn off their nuclear plants and use Russian natural gas instead,right? Right!? Oh and, the US didn’t mandate Germany to do this, its voters did.

It's not only about gas and sanctions, there are many examples of EU government doing harm to Europeans. I mentioned sanctions only to highlight a contrast to the parent comment.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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"Hitler wins this war no matter what, just let him kill all the Jews and enslave non-Aryans so that we could avoid needless deaths and suffering" — does that sound right to you? This is exactly how this ignorant nonsense sounds to a Ukrainian. This is genocide. Not resisting means millions killed and tens of millions brutally oppressed, a whole nation and its culture erased from existence, and an invitation for furth…

Yeah, I don't think they are similar at all. This current situation is way more nuanced. This isn't Hitler blitzing into France. This is not genocide, you're exaggerating here. Honestly, if anything the Russian culture of the Eastern regions Russia is about to take was being wiped out. That was the actual genocide. It's why there are so many Russian supporting people there. When Russia came into Kiev I agree, it was…

At this point you're just parroting Russian propaganda without any clue of what you're talking about, so I don't think there's any point in further discussion.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

#240
post #52

So "quiet" that Bloomberg's reporting on it? If you're a farmer, you're going to buy fertilizer from wherever and whomever unless prevented legally from doing so--and I, as a citizen of the US dependent on others growing this food on behalf of me, appreciate it.

I, as a citizen of the US dependent on others growing this food on behalf of me, am fine with reduced yields and higher meat prices, to put more pressure on Russia. I also wish we'd send in the big guns to put a lot more pressure in focused places.

>"I, as a citizen of the US"

Come back when you are willing to starve to death as this is what millions in other countries are facing

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