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At least in the US, you'd have to subpoena platforms for the actual activity logs.
Activity logs aren't worth much unless the offender bothered to properly identify himself with a scan of passport and a notary verified signature (because a scan of passport can be stolen).
In reality, this will be abused to high heaven to punish political opponents. They were already doing this, but it will now become worse.
I find it quite interesting to see Japan's government cause the multi-decade crisis they are in. Instead of fixing the crisis they continue to make terrible decisions that only serve to harm themselves further. Yet I fully support their actions, it's their choice.
Laws like this sound well-intentioned enough but are rampant for abuse and unequal application. If someone is outraged at some controversial policy or statement, how does that play out? Especially when the people in question are public figures: > professional wrestler Hana Kimura died in 2020 at age 22 following cyberbullying on social media over her remarks on a reality romance show that she had been part of. Imagin…
Maybe people shouldn't say evil and hateful things about anyone, no matter how bad they are, because it makes the entire culture of public discourse more toxic. Americans seem to have very little reverence for the quality and civility of public discourse in general anymore, and often say "the other side is worse" or "I'm intolerant of intolerance" as their justification for personally contributing to the normalizatio…
We both know this isn't what is being discussed here.
>Americans seem to have very little reverence for the quality and civility of public discourse in general anymore, and often say "the other side is worse" or "I'm intolerant of intolerance" as their justification for personally contributing to the normalization of uncivil ways of speaking.
Certainly interesting to see this. In my experience Americans tend to be rather christian and the love thy neighbour stuff. They are also very extroverted and willing to talk and become friends with anyone and everyone. Their understanding of 'good customer service' isn't the british example of 'help you as fast as possible and get you out the door' but rather talk to you and learn about you. Build a relationship that brings you back. Being uncivil is literally the opposite of what the average american is.
It's super curious how you came to this opinion? Where have you seen Americans being so 'uncivil'? Is it mainly places like Reddit and twitter? Certainly not real life. If you are conflating reddit or twitter with the general populous you missed the target by astronomical scale.
>Japan doesn't seem to have these problems with people culturally defecting from civility even when they disagree, and I believe their willingness to not tolerate it to any degree is what keeps the rest of society defecting to low quality behavior patterns.
What are the consequences to Japan? There is certainly consequences. Japan is in multiple crisis already and this isn't going to help the situation. Japan's situation is going to become that much worse.
>I think both groups should receive censure for valuing their personal crusades over the quality of stability and civility of society the rest of us value; who have more nuanced and humble opinions of our own self righteousness. Really glad there's another country that agrees with me!
I read this and can only come to the conclusion that you don't understand. Worse you seem to exemplify what makes these 'censures' that much worse.
You see this as attempting to maintain civility in society which is great if it were to happen but that's not at all the outcome.
What's your opinion on Hikikomori?
How well do you feel the Minister of Loneliness is doing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsushi_Sakamoto
How about that suicide rate in Japan?
How about that aging population and silver crime problem?
How about that crippling government debt and inevitable collapse of japan?
How about abenomics being a failure?
How about those government slaves? Hard labour and 99% conviction rate? LOL.
How about that population decline they are showing to be around 30% decline by 2050 and 50% decline by 2100?
Japan is beyond screwed. Good thing I am not in Japan because I'd be sent to the gulag for this post.
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> increasingly common misconception (these days in the U.S. at least) I do dislike people who say "citation?" (and I don't wish to seem presumptuous) but can you give me any further links or prominent examples of that? Is it a social media thing? I don't use popular SM or trawl the sewers of chans any longer, so is it there? Is that representative of a wider society? Do people who hold the extreme view that "speech h…
It sounds like you have an opinion but would rather sea lion. In the event that you are being genuine, there have been multitudes of instances. - Post jan 6 insurrection has left Republicans trying to justify their seditious invasion of the U.S. capital as protests protected by speech: https://knightfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/KF_F... - The "Cancel culture" pejorative has created a double standard where…
I had to look this up. That's a pretty sad accusation off the bat isn't it? One of my opinions I'll share is that I think even HN, supposedly one of the better discussion forums - why I write things here - is also blighted by "toxic internet culture" of assuming the worst in everybody. Also I think the "move fast" design is deliberately not conducive to conversation, so I am wondering if you will see this response.
From a British perspective I think the rioters attempting a coup and then backtracking to calling it "a protest" is laughable. At least one should have the courage of ones convictions. If you're going to try a coup you damn well better know it's going to succeed - as the alternative in every other historical example is getting lined up against the wall. If what you say is true then saying "oops only joking... it was just a fun legitimate protest" makes them cowards. So I simply can't entertain an argument that anyone defending a failed coup as "free speech" is serious.
Mr Cohen has a lot of good things to say, and I think I get what you're talking about after watching the clip you linked, thank you.
> "the age of evidential argument is ending and knowledge is de-legitimised.... by a handful of internet companies that amount to the greatest propaganda machine in history."
Couldn't have put it better myself. Pleased that he cited what is the subject of a chapter in my book Digital Vegan; the role of Facebook in Myanmar - which sadly few people will touch. How SBC actually puts it is "freedom of speech is not freedom of reach" - a nice turn. But then he flounders a little, not coming right out against Zuckerberg's "bullshit" reasoning as a purely driven by greed, he softens it as the "ideological imperialism" of the 'Silicon Six'. Cohen being accused of anti-Semitism isn't something I'd imagine can't happen these days either.
But in the end, SBC's beef seems to be with the unelected power of BigTech, and unfortunately he isn't a great philosophical scholar, by his own introductory remarks. What is to be done? He doesn't seem to know how to frame those who disingenuously deploy good arguments for bad ends... which is what I think the nub of your "lots of people equate freedom of speech with freedom from consequences" line. Zuckerberg couldn't give a fuck, and Cohen is correct in calling him a "bullshitter" in the strictest sense of Harry Frankfurt's definition. But to suggest that FB or any other company could "purge lies and conspiracies from their platform" is naive. There wouldn't be much left, especially of politicians and business people have to say - and when he hits that Cohen turns it into a damn joke to soften it! That's why comedians can say certain things that other's can't... up to a point. And then they risk losing their platform. So, much as I love Sascha Baron-Cohen he drifts into waters out of his depth. That said, I'm 99% with him (not afraid to be out of my depth).
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I wouldn't say I'm making a negative judgement about the person. I'm just saying LA isn't a good place for anyone making 35k a year. Then I offer actionable advice. Likewise, I've even applied for YC before. I would of loved to get some feedback like "You aren't going to make it into YC without a business plan". That's better than getting ignored I prefer real life socializing where something I said 6 or 7 years ago…
> I wouldn't say I'm making a negative judgement about the person. Of course not, but we tend to be judged by our words and actions, not our intentions. Understand that people may experience the world very differently from you. They will instinctively pattern match the negative value judgement I pointed out; and to them it seems “obvious” that one should reword the statement. So obvious for them, that they can’t unde…
Amen.
I will say I'm very optimistic in 10 years or so social media will be seen as another addiction to treat. You have a right to binge drink every night. Likewise you can binge social media.
Nether is particularly healthy.