How do these on the new base model air compare to an m1 13”?
Any benchmarks yet?
Apple Unveils M2
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't figure this one out either. The Air now has the same screen as the MBP 13", same processor, slimmer form factor. The air is also $100 cheaper than the MBP so that's not a justification. The only thing that is different on the specs page is the GPU count 10-cores versus 8. Why keep the 13?
The Air can also be upgraded to the same proc spec as MBP. Its interesting that they don't have the same screen. The Air is .3in larger and supports more colors? Air 13.6-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit display with IPS technology; 2560-by-1664 native resolution at 224 pixels per inch with support for 1 billion colors MBP 13.3-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit display with IPS technology; 2560-by-1600 native resolution at 227…
An... extra 4 pixels in height resolution?
Like... they just found a manufacturer that already made these screens and didn't want to retool for Apple's order, or what? Why extra 4 pixels?
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft. They had some promising years but I always sensed a struggle in the wheelhouse. Now they are back to forcing Edge on people, ads on login screen and in the Start menu are their new inventions and their store is almost as broken as ever and most importantly hard earned trust flew out the window in the process.
Apple forces safari on users in iOS, has icloud ads and integrations built into the OS, and sells devices with locked down bootloaders/filesystems that don't let you sideload your own programs. Who is the bigger threat here? The real threat to user freedom is the tribalism of picking the "lesser evil" when there are workable non-evil solutions like linux.
It doesn't force Safari. Chrome is absolutely allowed to create a browser and track users and monetize them on iOS. They just have to use the same rendering engine.
I'm not Apples greatest fan (see my latest comment), but there is a major difference between iCloud or OneDrive being pre-installed, both which is OK with me, and Candy Crush showing up in the start menu on my work laptop or some stupid game altering my login screen, again on my work laptop.
And yes, I too am a Linux user.
Why choose between various dumb and evil options if nice is available? (I know, some people get as mad at font problems and alignment on Linux as I get on microlagging on Windows and boneheaded CMD-TAB on Mac, but each to their own.)
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#234It was super interesting for me to see Apple not directly compare M2 to M1 in any of the graphs, why not directly tell us how much better it is than its predecessor as opposed to PC Laptop peers ?
First graph of the first set of graphs on the page shows M2 as 18% better performance for the same power consumption as M1. First graph of the second set of graphs shows a GPU performance comparison between M1 and M2.
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#235> It also delivers 50 percent more memory bandwidth
Anyone know if this means much in practice for a typical dev user?
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#236It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.
Counterpoint: M2 is a tock release, not a tick. This is pretty much the same behavior that ended up getting Intel shot in the foot: leaning too heavily on marginal performance increases from process enhancement will bite you in the butt when your competitors get their tech on your node. Intel and AMD are both going to be on 5nm in 2023, Apple should be pretty worried if this is what they're fighting with. 3nm isn't e…
M2 has a media engine, which was previously reserved for the higher end versions.
Considering that M1 was already an overkill for the most tasks, I think it is a meaningful "tok" upgrade.
Besides, I kind of expect the trend of ASIC to continue. Instead of having more extreme and extreme lithography, it kind of feels more appropriate to have computation specific developments.
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#237I'd still buy the 14" Pro for the more ports, slower chip for more $ or not. And real function keys instead of a touchbar? They seem to be making weirdly inconsistent choices in the product line. I thought they were going to be getting rid of the touchbar (and maybe adding more ports?) and they were only still in the legacy 13" because it was legacy. But apparently they mean to indefinitely have a 13" Pro with a touc…
Actually, I just realized the new Air has a magsafe power connector and two additional USB-Cs, and does not have a touchbar. I was about to buy a 14" M1 Pro, not because I needed the speed at all, but I wanted magsafe, I didn't want a touchbar, and two USB-C ports (inclusive of power supply) is not enough. Also the built in HDMI out was nice. The new Air has everything I want except the HDMI. Separate magsafe power P…
> The new Air has everything I want except the HDMI
I use a USB-C -> HDMI cable. Works great on my Dell.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
Living in a bubble is always nice though. How many laptops are even used as laptops? Most of the world is not using Apple laptops and is not going to. The Facebook community around you might, but that's not the entire world. The "nobody" in your list still accounts for what, 90% of the laptop buyers? Even more? Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surp…
> Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surprise - games and their performance counts. Apple has no answer there. Games? the biggest market is the Mobile market, Desktop market is shrinking year after year, it'll become a niche very soon Ever heard of Genshin Impact? https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-made-more-money-in-its-f... And please learn to pro…
> Games?
Yes, games. Even as a floundering mess, Blizzard rakes in 300-400mm/quarter on a single game that is a PC exclusive, without insane microtransactions/loot boxes.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wait, you can't extend the display to a second screen?
14 and 16 inch Macbook Pro's support multiple external screens up to 6K. https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/
That's the case for the M1 Pro and M1 Ultra. The regular M1 only supports a single external display.
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#240It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.
Counterpoint: M2 is a tock release, not a tick. This is pretty much the same behavior that ended up getting Intel shot in the foot: leaning too heavily on marginal performance increases from process enhancement will bite you in the butt when your competitors get their tech on your node. Intel and AMD are both going to be on 5nm in 2023, Apple should be pretty worried if this is what they're fighting with. 3nm isn't e…
AMD recently teased a ~15% single threaded performance increase for Zen4 when they will move from TSMC 7nm to TSMC 5nm.
Apple just teased ~18% CPU increase while staying on TSMC 5nm.
Sounds like they are doing just fine.