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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by happymellon »

julianlam wrote: post #119
InfamousRece wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can definitely see myself using this machine. 16GB is enough for me as I don’t use electron. 8 core Ryzen is decent too.

I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

I disagree. When I have to use a system that isn't Linux which seems to be the corporate rule, the requirements go through the ceiling as it always seems to need to use Docker to prevent to be Linux anyway.

Running multiple OS' is always demanding. They could fix it by just using Linux for the dev environment in the first place since all their tools are always electron or Java based.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by happymellon »

ulkesh wrote: post #193
julianlam wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

Let me introduce you to my friend Java.

Java sets upper memory limits, so that shouldn't be an issue.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by lhl »

messe wrote: post #7

16GB RAM? Is it upgradable or can it be configured higher? If not, why in god's name would you have 16GB RAM as a selling point? FHD at 14"? That's more than usable sure, but I'd prefer at least 2560x1440, preferably 2560x1600; A 16:9 aspect ratio is a pain in the ass. 4 years ago, these specs (if you can even call it that, we've been given almost no information) would have been decent. Now? This just seems desperate…

This looks like an EliteBook or ProBook (they're the only ones with trackpoints, the chassis looks most similar to the 845 G8/G9, but the logo and display looks more like a ProBook - it's not using the classic not the premium HP logo). Both these models which typically have 2 x SODIMMs, making it one of the better options for thin and lights for upgradeability. HP never has high-res panels for their business laptops, which is one of the reasons I don't even consider them (the other is that they usually don't have S3 suspend support, but for an officially supported Linux version, I'll assume they're at least going to spend a bit more time making sure it can suspend properly).

For the price, it seems fine, although I'd probably go for the similarly priced Starlabs Starbook Mk V if you were ok w/ FHD: https://us.starlabs.systems/pages/starbook (it has a 5800U)

Or bite the bullet w/ 12th-gen Alder Lake P and go with the latest Framework: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31433556

Personally, I'm looking most closely atm at the newly announced (but not yet shipping anywhere) Asus Vivobook S 14X OLED (M5402): https://www.asus.com/Laptops/For-Home/Vivobook/Vivobook-S-14...

* 45W Ryzen 6900HX (I'll assume RyzenAdj support will come eventually https://github.com/FlyGoat/RyzenAdj/issues/197)

* 8GB DDR5 soldered, 1 SO-DIMM so up to 40GB of memory

* A ridiculously good display: 14.5" 2880x1800 16:10 120Hz OLED w/ 550nit brightness, 100% DCI-P3, HDR500, Pantone validated (and reportedly no PWM flicker on this generation)

* Decent ports - 1xUSB 2.0, 1xUSB 3.2, 2xUSB C, HDMI 2.0, 3.5mm combo audio jack

* 1.6kg

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by mnahkies »

Glyptodon wrote: post #144
julianlam wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

Every 16 GB machine I've used for work in the last three years (until current 32 GB one) I'd occasionally run out of memory. Culprit? Web browsers... On Mac, Linux, and Windows. (Though occasionally other stuff needed significant memory too.)

For me the Android emulator in conjunction with a fairly large react native dev server and an ide is enough to fill 16gb. I've had to resort to closing the ide before starting the emulator, and waiting for the first build to complete or things get OOM killed. If I run the test suite whilst the emulator is open then there's a good chance something will get killed as well.

This looks like it could be a compelling choice for my next laptop but will have to pass if it's not possible to go to 32gb

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by Animats »

Is it for real, or are they just advertising "pre-orders" to see if there's a market?

A major company should not be taking "pre-orders". That's for Kickstarters. It's not like making this requires much development. It's basically a standard HP laptop with Linux pre-installed. And you get a special keytop to replace the "Windows" key.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by lhl »

samtheprogram wrote: post #155
ramesh31 wrote: post #153

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>Looks like Apple really has the “charge outrageously and be hailed for it” license. A new M1 Macbook Air starts at $999, and will put that Ryzen to shame. Not to mention infinitely better build quality and battery life. Apple has always been a great value for the price, even if that price is slightly higher than the bargain bin stuff.

Even before the M1, you paid a small (IMO) premium for better build quality, a great trackpad and (before the butterfly) keyboard, a solid Unix with really great tailored applications, etc… With the M1 dominance (and inflation) there’s basically no premium at this point (although there is little to no low-end options).

As long as you don't need more memory or storage, at which point you'll pay about a 4X markup for each upgrade and will need to make sure you prepay that when you buy the laptop as everything is soldered.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by rg111 »

jasoneckert wrote: post #44

I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. The main takeaways I get from this are that HP is now getting on the Linux developer bandwagon, and that they chose Pop!_OS as their distro due to the success and reputation of System76. And I think these are both good things, and a sign that we'll see more of the…

I work in Deep Learning and I have been using Pop OS entirely for more than one year now.

The experience is really good. It is not too polished and not too barebones.

And it is extremely reliable which, in my personal experience, matched by only Linux Mint.

I use an high-end Asus TUF series laptop. And my experience with the laptop + OS is really good.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by lelanthran »

jasoneckert wrote: post #44

I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. The main takeaways I get from this are that HP is now getting on the Linux developer bandwagon, and that they chose Pop!_OS as their distro due to the success and reputation of System76. And I think these are both good things, and a sign that we'll see more of the…

> I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous.

I agree. My only beef is the keyboard:

PLUS: No numpad so trackpad is more less centered (I hate using off-centered trackpads and usually don't care much for the numpad)

MINUS: half-sized arrow keys. As a developer I tend to use those for navigation much more than hjkl, and the half-size arrows get mistyped all the time by my muscle memory.

Not a dealbreaker, though. If I use it often enough the muscle memory will adapt.

The rest of the specs are in line with my expectations for that price-point.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by onli »

83457 wrote: post #191
rxhernandez wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I regularly see my thinkpad exceed 20 GB with vscode, YouTube music, and docker hosting a frontend, backend, and simulated load. I've been sitting at 27 GB for the past two days with PyCharm open as well.

They are using as much memory as they can because it is available. Chrome is notorious for this. That is not a valid gauge for how much memory is necessary or even useful.

How about the system freezing? Vscode compiling a flutter project with an Android Emulator open. Firefox with MS Teams, Jura etc, no tab hoarding. Sometimes chrome is open as well. Upgraded to 32gb and the freezes are gone.

16gb is not enough anymore for even such a modest workload.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by rg111 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #48

That's interesting; I thought System76 made Pop!_OS specifically to have a distro tuned to their hardware, but assuming this is as official as it looks that implies that they've started going for licensing it out to other vendors

I have been running Pop OS on an Asus for more than a year, and the experience is fantastic.

It has great functionality with no requirement of baby-sitting- just like Linux Mint.

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