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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by hit8run »

cowtools wrote: post #218
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by pauke »

cooperadymas wrote: post #192
pauke wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Business class Dells and HPs have one too. Named differently because TM but good enough.

I would challenge you to find a 2022 Dell or HP with a trackpoint.

Ouch, that hurts. It seems you're right at least about Dells, and HPs are going too.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by erikpukinskis »

cowtools wrote: post #218
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

Same. I have an old school 2013 MBA and a fresh MBP for work and I don’t really notice the difference.

Of course I can _see_ the difference. The MBP looks really nice. But when I sit down to code or watch a movie on the MBA, I have pretty much the same experience as I do on my work machine.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by varispeed »

post_break wrote: post #184
varispeed wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's likely that the schematics cannot be copyrighted, which means once they are released anyone can spin up their own boards. You could probably see a flood of cheap Chinese motherboards or entire laptop knock offs.

If that were the case we'd see macbook motherboards, since Louis is able to get entire board schematics.

I don't think what Louis has are full schematics. You could probably reverse engineer board view into a schematic, but from what I saw in his videos there was a lot of missing information - but enough to conduct a repair. That being said - even if Apple has released a full schematic, without datasheets for the parts made specifically for Apple, you wouldn't get an idea of operation of certain bits, so it could be difficult to replace these with off the shelf components.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by arinlen »

cowtools wrote: post #218
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

> I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen.

1080p doesn't mean much if you leave out the screen's pixel density. There's a world of difference between a smartphone with a 5' 1080p screen and a 24' monitor with a 1080p screen.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Kototama »

petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

Maybe you can accept that no project is perfect, specially young projects and that the exceptional effort they put to have the laptop modular are a big benefits for the environment and having less resource consumption, which is maybe, maybe, more important than a retina display?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by toper-centage »

hit8run wrote: post #231
cowtools wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

That's pointless gatekeeping. Having the most expensive pencil doesn't make you draw better. For most professionals in most fields, more than 1080p is a waste of energy.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

cowtools wrote: post #218
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

For some people, High-DPI displays are the type of upgrade that you don't notice until you've been using it for a while and have to switch back to the old technology.

I was also fine with lower resolutions for years because that was the only option. After using high-DPI displays for a couple years, I can't stand working on old low-DPI monitors for long periods of time. It's similar to how we were all happy with our mechanical HDD computers for years, but after using an SSD-based machine for a few months you can never go back to slow HDD-based machines.

It's not about seeing individual pixels. It's about the text clarity and reduced fatigue after reading text all day.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by post_break »

varispeed wrote: post #234
post_break wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were the case we'd see macbook motherboards, since Louis is able to get entire board schematics.

I don't think what Louis has are full schematics. You could probably reverse engineer board view into a schematic, but from what I saw in his videos there was a lot of missing information - but enough to conduct a repair. That being said - even if Apple has released a full schematic, without datasheets for the parts made specifically for Apple, you wouldn't get an idea of operation of certain bits, so it could be dif…

You are going in circles. I ask if they will have schematics for repairs, he says they do, you chime in saying "if they release schematics anyone can build a board", I tell you that Louis has even more detailed schematics for macbooks, and now you're saying those aren't schematics... can we just agree on something, I'm asking if they will have whatever you call the things so you can look up traces, components, voltages, to repair a board?

All I'm asking is if they will be releasing schematics/board views/whatever they are called for this laptop.

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