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Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Not every cause has the same effect, which is one reason why the law often looks into intent. If the speaker intend to incite violence then it's a call for violence, and if it is not then it's a metaphor. It is only by going through the context and the environment of a statement that intent can be subjectively judged.

Yes, we all know Trump knows how to weasel his way out of anything.

It goes both way. If we assume intent behind a given action that has occurred, then we apply some form of competence to the person in their ability to turn intent into action. If an action is unintentional then there is some level of incompetence in play. The bigger the outcome and the more obvious we view the action is, the bigger the incompetence from a successful defense of non-intent.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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"The women of his country already saw what one term of Trump did to the rights they thought they had." I see very little connection between anything that might be deemed "unacceptable" speech by Trump and the imminent overturn of Roe . Other than the fact that he got elected.

His entire platform was "say shit to piss people off." It's what got him elected, and what allowed him to pack SCOTUS. That's not even hyperbole, their campaign tried very hard to replicate this success in 2020.

He didn't pack the court. He got 3 judges in 4 years because he was lucky.

* One because the elected Republicans fought to deny Obama the nomination

* One because an existing Republican judge died

* And one because a Democratic judge was selfish enough to not quit ahead despite first having cancer in 1999.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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It's not surprising that someone who sounds like a sort of free speech absolutist agrees that permanent bans are bad for the idea of free and accessible speech. The problem I have with some free speech purists is that they give me a feeling that they are persons who are more often than not unaffected by speech that can be categorised as inciting hatred towards a people, and thus they see little to no problem with bei…

Trump was a fairly average right-wing politician. Another Bush, or McCain, or Romney would have nominated the same Supreme Court Justices and had more or less identical policy. The few times Trump went against the grain he was overruled in the House and Senate, and ultimately he peacefully transferred power to the next president despite the rioting after he lost the election. So the implicit argument that he was some…

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Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Removing him only removed him from your conversation. He is not silenced. Same with banning the Trump reddit forums, what this achieved was to shift them to their own platform where they, no longer hear opposing views or being challenged. And to me it seems worse than ever in their views and speech, shockingly though sometimes. Using something like the Paradox of tolerance logic is dangerous itself. People love to fi…

> Same with banning the Trump reddit forums, what this achieved was to shift them to their own platform where they, no longer hear opposing views or being challenged. And to me it seems worse than ever in their views and speech, shockingly though sometimes. There is another aspect to this - the benefit to the rest of the world from not being derailed by memetic diarrhea. Trumpism absolutely paralyzed the mainstream d…

> It took much more empathy to read nuance in others' points and not simply write them off as more Trumpist nonsense. Also, see all the times that Trump had a position that had some merit, but yet the opposition Party still staked out a position contrary to it.

Isn't this an actual instance of "the boy who cried wolf"?

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Is there just a different set of free speech rules for the rich and powerful? If I incited violence on the platform, I doubt Elon or Dorsey would be letting me come back after a ban.

The great irony is that you can't really do much to incite violence, no matter how hard you try; the rich and powerful, with their large platforms and massive followings, can do it with very little effort.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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> He didn't breach any law No. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/10/1079835695/how-trump-sought-t... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump/in-rec...

I think importantmsg is saying that he didn't use Twitter to break the law. I don't understand importantmsg's argument, but you also don't make sense.

He wasn't convicted of the two things you're point to, so they're just accusations.

If people should get banned for doing something illegal outside Twitter (or just being accused of doing so) then millions of people should get banned from Twitter.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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post #211

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> His entire platform was "say shit to piss people off." It's what got him elected, and what allowed him to pack SCOTUS. So now we're down to to "we should restrict the speech of people I don't agree with, which might get them elected." Say...how did I end up on this hill, and why is it so slippery?

Look if you think being a serial liar with unimaginable power to a common person and never having to be accountable for free speech (“I can’t show you my taxes” - that’s a good one) then society is broken. The megaphone of lies convinces stupid people who have the right to vote. It’s clear they don’t have the intellect to vote responsibly, and that can be attributed to Facebook and Twitter letting any miscreant or mo…

Yeah, it's THOSE people that are stupid - not US! Right?!

looks around nervously

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