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It sounds similar to what hamachi could have been if it was really invested in product management & enterprise features.

interesting, that's the first thing I also thought of! (in fact I grep'd "hamachi" on this thread) I totally agree - it's a shame hamachi just gave up

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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I am able to route traffic on my mobile device through my home network via the use of their "exit node" option. It allows one of my home devices to act as an exit node for my entire personal tailscale network. This serves multiple benefits: the main one being that I receive pi-hole filtered ad-free traffic on my mobile device via a Wireguard VPN with my home IP 24/7/365

I can do that without Tailscale though by just using the WireGuard app. What is Tailscale adding to this?

> For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.

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Tailscale has a fantastic product, I’ve been extremely happy from day one. If you’re waiting for a weekend to have a few hours to try out Tailscale, don’t, it takes 15 minutes to get every device you own up and running and talking. This is the lowest friction personal VPN to ever exist, and once you see how easy it is for your own devices, you’ll wish you had it at work. The biggest risk that this company has is that…

> a direct ring of trust with friends The vision you outlined is great, except it doesn't work. The trust assumptions are too high, and even a great product like Tailscale seems to rely completely on centralized identity providers (you have to choose Google, Microsoft, or Github on sign-in). Ultimately, if you want to maintain full control of your online identity and network, you'll probably need some of the decentra…

What are DIDs: Device IDs?

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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Tailscale's CEO has been tweeting a series of "rejected headlines" for their fundraising announcement. They're pretty funny. I thought the HN crowd would like this one:

> Tailscale raises $100M to do what any Hacker News reader could have done in a weekend [0]

[0] https://twitter.com/apenwarr/status/1521873453921583105?cxt=...

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty ignorant on this topic, but what are the benefits of having a personal VPN?

I am able to route traffic on my mobile device through my home network via the use of their "exit node" option. It allows one of my home devices to act as an exit node for my entire personal tailscale network. This serves multiple benefits: the main one being that I receive pi-hole filtered ad-free traffic on my mobile device via a Wireguard VPN with my home IP 24/7/365

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Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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I use it so I can connect to my work machine (dynamic IP on office wifi) from my laptop (dynamic IP, home Wifi). It's also great to be able to just ssh into your laptop at home when you're at work and you forgot to push whatever you were working on last night. It's not necessary, but Tailscale makes a lot of things just easier.

> It's also great to be able to just ssh into your laptop at home when you're at work and you forgot to push whatever you were working on last night. What's the difference between using Tailscale for this and just opening the port on your router?

Someone answered above - it works even if you have no router you can configure, using NAT busting. I do what you suggest though, just setting up wireguard directly on my OPNSense router. I don't want to get any private company involved in my VPN setup.

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Google does that, Microsoft doesn't. Microsoft will ban you from a particular service if you egregiously violate the terms of service for a particular application of theirs, but never the whole account. Google will throw you on your ass in the blink of an eye.

Is there anything in there TOS that states it or has this just been their practice so far?

Does it matter? Whether they say they will do it, or just do it without saying they will, the experience is the same.

What matters most is if they can. Then, if they ever have done. What I want is that they can't.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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I was going to try TailScale but then it seemed the only option to do so as an individual was to login with a 3rd party cloud provider, which I in no way want tied into my networks. I gave up and just setup wireguard directly instead, I don't trust Tailscale either if that's their attitude towards privacy, it's permanently marred my vision of their product.

Agreed, if you have no need to bust a NAT, just set up wireguard directly yourself, and avoid closed source products from corporations managing your most secure and private data.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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For anyone else who wonders wtf tailscale is: > Tailscale is a VPN service that makes the devices and applications you own accessible anywhere in the world, securely and effortlessly. It enables encrypted point-to-point connections using the open source WireGuard protocol, which means only devices on your private network can communicate with each other. It seems to take care of key distribution, nat-traversal, authen…

I thought that Tailscale was pretty interesting. Avery Pennarun, its CTO, is somebody whose judgment I am used to trusting. Then I learned that to use it, I would be dependent on authenticating using a login on one of the unaccountable internet behemoths who could take away my account for any random reason or no expressed reason at all. No, thank you.

Is that generally true? A third-party authentication servive is needed just to get it going, or is that needed for specific use cases?

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> For people who believe there’s a catch — and most still do — then I don’t know how to write a blog post or hire a marketing or sales team to change their minds. I think the catch is that (at least at the free level) one must trust an identity providers. For many companies that's probably fair enough, but for high-security companies and private individuals one absolutely cannot trust anything running outside of one'…

Tailscale will let you use any SAML or OIDC provider you like in the Enterprise plan (presumably because of the cost of supporting the long tail of nonsense IdPs will produce). (Disclosure: I'm a (small) investor via Latacora's sibling fund, Lagomorphic.)

Don't you have to also trust Tailscales closed source coordinator node?
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