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The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by zeagle »

noirbot wrote: post #166
leephillips wrote: post #164

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I’m not in Gnome, as I mentioned, and Flameshot works perfectly here. I don’t have a top bar. “No other OS makes me have to check the manufacturer” Other OSes are sold on hardware that’s designed to work with them. If you want to buy a laptop to run Linux on, first research whether Linux works well on it. There are plenty of machines of all types that Linux works great on.

I bought a Framework, which was specifically intended to work with Linux, and has devs from multiple distros working to stabilize, and I'm still having plenty of issues. As I said elsewhere, I've been building desktops for most of 20 years with just entirely random parts and had Windows always work completely fine on it, and only get better at it over the years. Linux has gotten better as well, but I still have to be…

I'm in the same boat with a framework and my linux experience.

I don't think you will be able convince a who-needs-graphical-displays and occasionally-run-this-command-a-terminal crowd that this is an issue.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by MinorTom »

josephcsible wrote: post #68
jokethrowaway wrote: post #41

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After the nth round of european regulations, plenty of banks started requiring a smartphone app installed on Android or iOS as 2 factor authentication

What regulation requires Android or iOS in particular?

Regulation requires 2-factor verification of sign-ins and transactions (and no, WebAuthn and TOTP aren't allowed). That leaves three options:

* Physical hardware (what?)

* SMS at 9 cent each

* An app

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by zeagle »

IanCal wrote: post #120
usrn wrote: post #105

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I had an Android. Every update made Termux less and less capable (IIRC exec is very complex or impossible in a recent one.) Now I have a Pinephone running a normal X11 DE and I don't have to tolerate an ounce of stupidity. Sure there are legitimate good faith defects in the software but nothing is intentionally broken just for the sake of it. ssh just works (the phone shipped with it preinstalled) vim just works scp…

On the other hand, my android phone works reliably for ... I don't know weeks? Months? I only restart for major update. My Ubuntu laptop after a straight install didn't turn off properly, my Ubuntu desktop regularly has chrome crash and fails to wake up the screen. I've had so many issues with basic Linux setups that I absolutely do not want that on my phone. I don't want a browser that's described as just "usable".…

I would agree with you (Pixel 6).

I've found that any problem I have can be solved with something on f-droid / google play and by googling it. This isn't dissimilar to the experience in linux for my headless NAS or VPS to figure out how to run a new service or learning to use borg backup.

Backup photos via SMB share every night if on local wifi/VPN'd home? Sync calendar, contacts with nextcloud via dav? Schedule a copy of my sandboxed work outlook calendar from Nine into a dav calendar so I can share it (read only) with family? Spit tunnel wireguard traffic? All these work without having to root and I'm not spending my evening trying to fix driver issues. I didn't spend an entire evening on these away from family.

I'm not happy giving away the sum total of my experience on this planet to Google but this device just works and it works well. Some conveniences like Android Auto keep me from going to CalyxOS.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by zaik »

sleepless wrote: post #203
usrn wrote: post #97

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As someone who had a few pre-smartphone PDAs: Smartphones absolutely are high powered shit. On paper they're amazing but the ecosystem limits you to scrolling instagram and only a handfull of accepted IMs (iOS struggles with XMPP and IRC for example, something even my hacked DS could do fine with 4MB of ram and a 60Mhz ARM9.) Just editing fucking textfiles and copying it back to a normal PC (that isn't a mac) is a re…

"iOS struggles with XMPP" Is that so? Monal just received the 5.1.0 update and Siskin is also under active development. Then there is Snikket based on Siskin. Compared to 2017 this is quite the vivid XMPP landscape and development on all three apps is ongoing and the people behind the apps seem capable. You can use a bridge to even use IRC in your XMPP client. Editing txt files in NextCloud and having this by in sync…

I still don't know what to recommend my friends on iOS for reliable OMEMO encryption and push notifications in group chats. Monal 5.1.0 was released yesterday so maybe it works now, but the state of XMPP on iOS is really not great.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by urlwolf »

ashirviskas wrote: post #48

I did not see PostmarketOS mentioned ( https://postmarketos.org/ ), which tries to solve the OS problem that Android (and LineageOS) does not really solve.

No support for my Note 10 pro, and either camera or network doesn't work for the majority of supported phones

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by Agamus »

IanCal wrote: post #120
usrn wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had an Android. Every update made Termux less and less capable (IIRC exec is very complex or impossible in a recent one.) Now I have a Pinephone running a normal X11 DE and I don't have to tolerate an ounce of stupidity. Sure there are legitimate good faith defects in the software but nothing is intentionally broken just for the sake of it. ssh just works (the phone shipped with it preinstalled) vim just works scp…

On the other hand, my android phone works reliably for ... I don't know weeks? Months? I only restart for major update. My Ubuntu laptop after a straight install didn't turn off properly, my Ubuntu desktop regularly has chrome crash and fails to wake up the screen. I've had so many issues with basic Linux setups that I absolutely do not want that on my phone. I don't want a browser that's described as just "usable".…

I must be one of the lucky few. I've used Linux Mint as my main desktop for about 10 years now with zero problems. I've used LineageOS as my main phone OS for about 5 years now with zero problems.

I run Windows for work and gaming, and run into issues regularly. Default Android/iPhone makes me a bit queasy.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by seba_dos1 »

usrn wrote: post #229
kaba0 wrote: post #222

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Wayland can do screenshots since like forever. Do try it out before you believe every false claim on the internet.

The implication was that screenshots require tinkering although I can see why that wasn't clear.

They really don't.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by wvh »

noirbot wrote: post #132
usrn wrote: post #125

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I actually don't share your experience. My Linux machines are all more reliable than the best smartphones I've had. Flagship Android phones have been the worst in my experience, most can't make it a week without crashing, not to mention the awful battery life. Maybe it's because I know to be picky about PC hardware and don't run things like Chrome. >I don't want a browser that's described as just "usable". I have to…

I've been daily-drivering on Linux for Desktop and Laptop for months and Linux across 4 different distros has made me feel more helpless than Windows ever did. Sure, the Windows "police" would come in and straighten my update settings (which is ultimately why I abandoned Windows), but Linux you get the helplessness of sometimes having something break and the only answer you can find after spending half of your weeken…

There's technical knowledge, and there's ecosystem knowledge.

To know which applications/libraries are available and suitable for a certain task, and what their individual strengths and weaknesses are, is a very different set of knowledge, and often a vastly underestimated part of experience.

I've been using Linux and other Unix/BSD operating systems since the nineties, and I'm completely lost when it comes to helping out others about App store or Windows store options. I can imagine that it's especially hard in Linux to be missing that sort of ecosystem information, as the installation process often assumes some level of technical proficiency and up-front knowledge already.

For experienced Linux users, the experience of freedom is a lot greater than using Windows, Android or Apple operating systems; but if you're just starting out and all unknowns turn up more unknowns, it might be a pretty frustrating experience. I think you have to choose if you want to learn, or if you're willing to settle with whatever you're given in the Windows, Android and Apple world.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by seba_dos1 »

noirbot wrote: post #153
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #140

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> but Linux you get the helplessness of sometimes having something break and the only answer you can find after spending half of your weekend searching for solutions is just "idk, give up and reset your entire OS" ... On Linux ? That's the traditional Windows solution.

I mean, it can be both. The issue is sometime you do an "apt get" and it just doesn't work and the only solution you can find is "idk your apt cache is broken. Clean-slate your entire OS because at some point Apt crashed in a way that was unrecoverable."

I don't get it. Since 2006 I have never had to clean-slate my GNU/Linux installation, on both PCs or phones. I only ever did it out of choice, usually with new hardware being a pretext to try a different distro or installation method - which happened total a handful of times during those 15 years. Debian (and apt) in particular has never made me even worry that I'll have to reinstall my OS, and I'm sort of a power user who isn't afraid to break things, so I should be more likely to actually break it. How can my experience of using GNU/Linux as my only OS for so many years be so drastically different than what you describe?
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