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Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by yurishimo »

tshaddox wrote: post #211
aldanor wrote: post #198

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Yea. Sad about the lack of ultrawide option, too. Once you get used to it, there's no way back. Two 27'' displays is not an option since you can't center anything, so... three Studio displays side-to-side?

I've been running an LG non-curved 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor as my main work monitor for several years now. It's a great form factor, but the resolution is really sad. It's essentially a wider version of the Dell 1440p monitor that I had ten years ago . My ideal monitor now would be a pixel-doubled version of this ultrawide monitor, but I'm still tempted to lose the extra width and upgrade to this 5k display.

Same. I have a 32" 1440p display and am considering grabbing one of these when I get back to the states in a few months. I could live without the speakers, but honestly if they're "good enough" they might kick my powered studio monitors off of my desk. I like my powered speakers but I don't use them anywhere near the volume they thrive at so it might be worth it to re-examine my workflow as a hobbyist.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by notriddle »

o_m wrote: post #175
owenwil wrote: post #90

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There's a good reason for this: Thunderbolt 4 doesn't have enough port bandwidth. TB4 can carry a max of 30Gbps but 5K @ 120hz is 32Gbps. There's no way Apple would do two cables for this, and the next gen of Thunderbolt is a while off, so the choice makes sense.

They could have made it 90hz then

Running a program with fixed-rate 60hz (a lot of games) would cause judder. It's the same sort of reason they don't do 150% scaling; you want integer multiples of the "low-fi" version so that you can upscale without artifacting.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by xenadu02 »

naikrovek wrote: post #179
astrange wrote: post #147

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Your suggestion was tried for years and failed every time because it doesn’t work. HiDPI shipped because it was 2x or nothing. (Later there was 3x.) The reason Windows developers still think it might work is they have no taste and don’t care about localized UI, pixel cracks, or blurry bitmap controls.

nah, hidpi on Windows is fine if you know what you're doing as an application developer. it's those who haven't bothered to make the changes recommended or required that make windows hidpi support look worse than it is in single-monitor setups. multiple monitors on Windows with varying dpi scales is not great though, and probably can't be until some backwards compatibility promises are broken or expired.

> nah, hidpi on Windows is fine if you know what you're doing as an application developer.

Many (most?) don't or can't be bothered so the end result in practice is that it doesn't work. Microsoft has been chasing the HiDPI fairy for decades and the situation hasn't really gotten better. They still ship software (both in and outside the OS) that isn't HiDPI aware.

Retina prioritizes making it easy for developers to adopt: Double the size of artwork, points are 2 pixels, Done. Are there quibbles? Sure. But millions of people are looking at HiDPI screens where every single thing in the OS and all third party apps they use fully support 2x.

No one lives in the magical world where arbitrary scaling factors are supported. Doing that as a developer is just too damn complicated when @1x + @2x (and maybe @3x) makes 98% of people happy and is vastly less work.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by localhost »

yurishimo wrote: post #226
015a wrote: post #221

For me, its frustrating to not see an option without all the webcam, microphone, octuple speaker array, A13, 100w charging, TB hub, madness. I have to imagine that adds significant cost, and at $1600 we're not in the territory where this stuff can be included just 'cause. I like it, but I imagine some professionals would like to do what Apple's marketing images all show; buy two, maybe even three. I'd love to have on…

Except if you compare it to the LG 5K, it's worth the extra cost in build quality alone. The LG monitors are notorious pieces of junk with flaky connectors that come loose like clockwork. The new Studio display is expensive, but I think the features somewhat justify the price compared to the "competition".

My personal take: my two 27" 4K LG monitors run GREAT here. I like the extremely small vertical bezels on both of them (one is a 144Hz and the other is a 60Hz). Connectors are fine. The monitors don't move at all, so build quality issues are imperceptible here. I think I paid something like $600 for each one at different points in time.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by DCKing »

digisign wrote: post #169
DCKing wrote: post #26

I like this announcement, because it means that there's a manufacturing line for proper HiDPI [1] displays running in some LG factory somewhere that third party manufactures like LG/Dell/Iiyama can hopefully use to give us some fresh good-looking 27" 5K desktop monitors. It boggles my mind how little attention very high pixel density displays have been getting from PC display manufacturers. I would also be first in l…

I have a 24"(61cm) 4k Dell monitor with Ubuntu... it is a bit unique these days, don't think there are many others around. Mostly happy with it, but... I'd rather have higher density like the laptop it is connected to, with 4k. Perhaps 200dpi 3:2 or 16:10 around ~22"(56cm) diagonal that can do portrait would be my preferred monitor. Haven't seen that around unfortunately.

I've been searching for those, but they're unobtanium even second hand. I suppose no-one wants to get rid of these monitors once they have them, because there's no replacements you can buy.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by oppegard »

newaccount74 wrote: post #155
danielvf wrote: post #137

I've worked off Apple Cinema displays since the '90s and Apple Studio displays before that. I am a monitor snob. I care deeply how things look. I currently have an Apple XDR Pro monitor. It's not a great monitor - it is indeed big, the outside is as cool as anything ever made, and the USB-C hub is nice. But in EVERY other way it is badly inferior to the stock 5K monitor that comes with even the cheapest 27" iMac from…

What's bad about the XDR?

I'm not the OP but I've had an XDR for about a month now, which replaced a 27" LG UltraFine 5K (same panel as the one used on 27" iMac for years). My issue with the XDR is the lack of built-in camera, mic, and speakers that are serviceable for zoom calls.

I don't need audiophile stuff, but it's remarkable how bad the built-in AV was on the LG UltraFine. Mic quality is bad enough that I won't inflict it on my co-workers. The camera is angled too low, resulting in the top of my head usually being cut off. And the speakers go from quiet to really loud, with no in-between.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

digisign wrote: post #169
DCKing wrote: post #26

I like this announcement, because it means that there's a manufacturing line for proper HiDPI [1] displays running in some LG factory somewhere that third party manufactures like LG/Dell/Iiyama can hopefully use to give us some fresh good-looking 27" 5K desktop monitors. It boggles my mind how little attention very high pixel density displays have been getting from PC display manufacturers. I would also be first in l…

I have a 24"(61cm) 4k Dell monitor with Ubuntu... it is a bit unique these days, don't think there are many others around. Mostly happy with it, but... I'd rather have higher density like the laptop it is connected to, with 4k. Perhaps 200dpi 3:2 or 16:10 around ~22"(56cm) diagonal that can do portrait would be my preferred monitor. Haven't seen that around unfortunately.

I would love have a 24" 4K rather than a 28" 4K, but sunk costs. The 24" imac is 4K, and has a similar DPI to the 27" 5K imac.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

wyuenho wrote: post #127
DCKing wrote: post #26

I like this announcement, because it means that there's a manufacturing line for proper HiDPI [1] displays running in some LG factory somewhere that third party manufactures like LG/Dell/Iiyama can hopefully use to give us some fresh good-looking 27" 5K desktop monitors. It boggles my mind how little attention very high pixel density displays have been getting from PC display manufacturers. I would also be first in l…

This is likely a mini-LED screen that Apple has been putting into the iPad Pro and MBPs, which is not a technology LG possesses. This is likely manufactured in Taiwan or China or Germany, using the licensed technology from Taiwan's Epistar.

There is no evidence for that. It is more than likely an LG display, as Apple has been rumored to work be working with LG on Apple branded displays, and they are the only producer (so far) of 27 inch 5K displays.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by radicaldreamer »

digisign wrote: post #169
DCKing wrote: post #26

I like this announcement, because it means that there's a manufacturing line for proper HiDPI [1] displays running in some LG factory somewhere that third party manufactures like LG/Dell/Iiyama can hopefully use to give us some fresh good-looking 27" 5K desktop monitors. It boggles my mind how little attention very high pixel density displays have been getting from PC display manufacturers. I would also be first in l…

I have a 24"(61cm) 4k Dell monitor with Ubuntu... it is a bit unique these days, don't think there are many others around. Mostly happy with it, but... I'd rather have higher density like the laptop it is connected to, with 4k. Perhaps 200dpi 3:2 or 16:10 around ~22"(56cm) diagonal that can do portrait would be my preferred monitor. Haven't seen that around unfortunately.

There was an LG Ultrafine 21.5" 4k display which was the same DPI as the MacBook's screen, but it's been long discontinued (along with that model of the iMac, which was what the display was originally destined for)
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