Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

Post by prox » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:00 PM UTC

t0suj4 wrote: post #196

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I found this article very enlightening : https://www.csis.org/features/kremlin-playbook-3 From the center of strategic and international studies. It describes how the same ideology (white male christian) worldview is connected to Putin and Trump, and how the West is viewed as decadent through the moral lens of the fundamentalist churches in both the US and the Russian orthodox church.

Conservatism is relative term. It basically means "keep what we have and carefully evaluate new things". Conservatism in the US is not what conservatism in France is. Conservatism in Mexico is not what conservatism in Brazil is. Putin's version of conservatism, as mentioned in the article, is only applicable to Russia and countries with similar culture. Comparing Trump to Putin is like comparing Nixon to Brezhnev.

Post by akomtu » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:35 PM UTC

Already__Taken wrote: post #138

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As a non-american, I can see how some actions of the left seem to be a bit over the top and as things escalated might really got a bit extreme too. But is a push against racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights really wrong? Do you notice, how much people, who stand for those issues, get attacked in the public discussion?

As an outsider "name of grotesque moral rightnessess" thrown from the Christian right made me spit my coffee out.

Post by cymian » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 11:08 PM UTC

president wrote: post #194

echelon wrote: post #30

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> And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely. I'm a liberal and would like to point out that fellow liberals say the same about conservatives. We're wasting energy and making enemies fighting a narrative warfare, and it's frankly very stupid. Jail the their protestors, but not our own. Deplatform their voice…

Agreed. If there's anything I've learned over the years, it's that Democrats and Republicans are equally nasty. The only difference is one side is much more powerful because they are supported by virtually every cultural institution that exists.

Post by micromacrofoot » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 11:17 PM UTC

dev_by_day wrote: post #220

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When a media agency internally decides not to publish something it might be biased, but that's generally not considered censorship. Censoring can be biased, but not all bias is censorship. Russia participates in censorship on a state level with its own state-run media agencies. These things are not equivalent. The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets.

> The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets. And that story was banned on social media unfairly(this banning was cheered on by Dems and left leaning folks), even though it turned it to be credible later. It was egregious censorship is the main point I am making here. As bad as Putin? No. Was it bad? Yes.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 11:22 PM UTC

micromacrofoot wrote: post #237

dev_by_day wrote: post #220

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> The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets. And that story was banned on social media unfairly(this banning was cheered on by Dems and left leaning folks), even though it turned it to be credible later. It was egregious censorship is the main point I am making here. As bad as Putin? No. Was it bad? Yes.

it’s not just “not as bad” it’s categorically a different thing