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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by freemint »

sudosysgen wrote: post #100
tgv wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do your research Ukranians are not nazis. There.

If we want to be charitable, they are not referring to Ukraine at large but to groups like Azov, Right Sector, C14, etc..., That are indeed Nazis and that have been armed and trained by Western forces in full understanding of who they were and enthusiastically.

Is Russia used the armies that are currently in the Ukraine to kill all Azov members there would still be objectively more Nazis in Ukraine then before the invasion. Any military force I have looked into has a lot of Nazis and Russia also. Instead of denazification of Ukraine Russia added Nazis on Ukrainian ground by having soldiers invade. The only reason why you aren't aware of battalion names of Nazis in Russian army is that the fact that the presence of Nazis is totally irrelevant for the argument the west is making while Russia argument totally depends on so RT pushes that narrative.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by freemint »

Markoff wrote: post #212
proctrap wrote: post #125

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Another fact is that russia did forbid some german media (deutsche welle) to broadcast, so it's certainly also revenge..

which was response to Germany banning RT first

RT was never banned in Russia (well before the EU decision at least). It was never allowed to broadcast because it would have to get a German TV license. I didn't get one instead it good some from Lichtenstein (?) for broadcasting which is just not how that works.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by Markoff »

freemint wrote: post #232
Markoff wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

which was response to Germany banning RT first

RT was never banned in Russia (well before the EU decision at least). It was never allowed to broadcast because it would have to get a German TV license. I didn't get one instead it good some from Lichtenstein (?) for broadcasting which is just not how that works.

TLDR Germans de facto banned it, if they had no problem until now with the licensing

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by freemint »

Markoff wrote: post #233
freemint wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RT was never banned in Russia (well before the EU decision at least). It was never allowed to broadcast because it would have to get a German TV license. I didn't get one instead it good some from Lichtenstein (?) for broadcasting which is just not how that works.

TLDR Germans de facto banned it, if they had no problem until now with the licensing

No minister or administrator made a decision to deny RT some license. All they did is to enforce in an indiscriminate manner German law. Other stations which broadcast without license would also be treated in the same way.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by shkkmo »

GiorgioG wrote: post #206
shkkmo wrote: post #139

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You know that goverents frequently distribute their propaganda through media outlets that are not state owned, right?

You know these media outlets aren't legally required to do so, right?

You don't have to be legally required to spread propaganda to be effective at spreading it.

Seriously, relying a on state media matching non-state media to determine if either is propaganda is an ineffectual strategy. You need to find reporting that contradicts the media source and then try to independently verify the disputed information.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by ganzuul »

BeefWellington wrote: post #93
ganzuul wrote: post #45

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I'm concerned about the EU, an economic union, thinking it has the authority to rule on this matter.

The EU is more than just an economic union and always has been. It's also pretty clear that they do have the ability to shut out a company from doing business within their borders, so I'm unclear why media corporations should be getting a free pass compared with other industries.

That is an extremely coarse brush. - The way they have chosen to go about preventing this business from operating in the EU involves heavy-handed technological measures.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by hirako2000 »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #160
ngc248 wrote: post #157

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>>> That isn't to say the west hasn't done anything wrong. But by my account, we can pin the following on Russia: >>> - Installing puppets in foreign governments >>> - Schroeder >>> - Trump / GOP >>> - Pushing for Brexit What .... Trump and GOP are russia plants? got proof?

I can provide arguments in favour of the position but not definitive proof, you can decide whether all of this is just "circumstantial". - First day of war, Trump praises Putin for his behaviour, on tape, call him a genius [1, 4]. - Second day of war, Trump doubles down, on tape. [1] - When asked whether [Trump] made a mistake calling [Putin] a genius, Moskow Mitch dodges the question, responds that Putin is a "ruthl…

that's a whole lot of time spent gathering news articles. I bet you have more. I think what news show is that, no matter which side, leaders aren't particularly interested in representing their people.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by Markoff »

freemint wrote: post #234
Markoff wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TLDR Germans de facto banned it, if they had no problem until now with the licensing

No minister or administrator made a decision to deny RT some license. All they did is to enforce in an indiscriminate manner German law. Other stations which broadcast without license would also be treated in the same way.

sure and this enforcing right now during Ukrainian invasion is complete coincidence /facepalm

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by selfhoster11 »

Razengan wrote: post #61
randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

The West has always demonized Russia. “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now. After America worked so hard to unleash the most destructive weapon in human history, everyone should have cowed and crowned them the undisputed hegemons of the Earth. The idea of anyone daring to set themselves up as an antipode was extremely offensive. Even after the fall of the US…

This is an intensely US-centric perspective.

If the West includes new joiners from behind the Iron Curtain, then let me tell you that any "demonisation" of Russia is deserved.

I'm too young to have experienced the communist times, but based on what I heard from my parents and from history, being a forcible subject to Russia sucks. And this is exactly what Russia is trying to achieve in Ukraine (if not just outright destruction instead).

I was willing to give Russia a loan of trust and see how its post-USSR identity evolved. Unfortunately, it seems like that hope wasn't met with reality.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by selfhoster11 »

Razengan wrote: post #216
peregren wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Russia are being unfairly demonised by western countries right now? Is the invasion of Ukraine, + war crimes in some way just?

Not resorting to Whataboutism, but try to see how the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan (two in a row, and the subsequent occupation for 20 years no less!) by the US was seen as “just” by all the nations now condemning Russia. Take a look at maps of NATO expansion: https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/t37zf4/countries_j... If America was concerned about Russian nukes in Cuba, shouldn’t Russia be concerned about a…

This is basically whataboutism. I don't consider myself well informed enough on any Middle Eastern conflicts, but if I found anything objectionable there, I'm happy to call out both the US and Russia on their BS.

BTW, "NATO expansion" was there for a reason, and you don't get to claim that the new members didn't want to join of their own initiative. Every post-communist country that wants to keep their self-determination is worried about falling back into being Russian puppets once more.

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