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Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by moonchrome »

sohkamyung wrote: post #42
moonchrome wrote: post #13

I like this trend, I'm currently looking at next gen Surface Pro X as a replacement for my 2018 MBP. I'm almost there with using remote development on super beefy Windows desktop (waiting for Rider remote development support) - I want a mobile device that's powerful enough for client apps - but I want to offload heavy lifting to a tower that I don't have to listen to whizzing next to my face. I'm not sure why they ke…

> tablet is much more flexible, you can add the keyboard folio if you want it Maybe it's just me, but I have the first generation Microsoft Surface Go, which I mainly used as a tablet device, but occasionally attach the keyboard to it when I need to do more extensive typing. Over time, I discovered the connectivity between the keyboard and the tablet became worse, until it finally failed, and the tablet did not recog…

My wife had a Yoga 2in1 and I've been underwhelmed with the experience, "tent mode" is cool but as a tablet it's too chunky, as a laptop it's underwhelming.

In my experience - the only time I use attached keyboard/mouse is when I'm at the office and I need to join a call in the conference room or a call booth in co-working space - other than that I use external BT mouse and keyboard exclusively. For those use cases I think I could get away with using a touch screen, maybe if I needed to present - but I'd just pickup my keyboard/mouse in that scenario.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by smoldesu »

vel0city wrote: post #221
smoldesu wrote: post #192

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T460s user here, on Windows (and Hackintosh, for the sake of bad comparison), my system idled ~40-45c and the fans also ran constantly. Put Linux on it, add auto-cpufreq, and then it idles ~27c (30c with external display). No fans unless I launch games, have heavy network usage for >5 minutes, or compile something. I'd probably give the Macbooks (or this new Thinkpad) a closer look if I didn't work with Docker consta…

On Windows, did you use the Lenovo provided software to manage cooling? If you did a fresh install of Windows and didn't install the OEM fan and CPU tooling, but then did install CPU tooling on Linux, its not quite a fair comparison. I've got a 460s and it will run pretty warm if you let it. If you tell it to not run so hot it'll keep the CPU throttled down a bit more aggressively and keep it cooler. That generation…

I did a fresh install, but Lenovo's management software has been notoriously bloatware-ish, so I was apprehensive to keep it on my system. I was never really claiming for it to be a fair comparison either, even if this thing somehow ran hotter on Linux I'd probably wouldn't use Windows anyways.

The machine can definitely run pretty hot if you crank the performance profiles though, that's for sure. I've managed to hit 70c while playing music/running CPU intensive games on an external monitor, and I definitely think you could push it further with more CPU twiddling. For regular use though, a hearty underclock still renders the device usable with low temps and a good amount of battery life extension.

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Post by PennRobotics »

my123 wrote: post #230
PennRobotics wrote: post #94

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I eat my statement. That looks like a better configuration than an octa-A78C, but only if the licensing cost is the same or you REALLY have a need for the latest extensions.

So, it actually is X1C and A78C. https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2022/02/28/mwc-2... references PAC support, which is only in the C variant of those cores.

Good catch. I wasn't even aware there was an X1C! Then again, my daily driver is a 1 or 2 core Cortex-M. On special occasions (once a month or so) something more exotic lands on my desk.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by sbarre »

dasKrokodil wrote: post #213
sbarre wrote: post #157

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In most cases that I've seen, a 16:10 vs 16:9 display has the same pixel width (the 16 part) part and more vertical pixels. So you were never actually sacrificing width as you claim. I've had 3 16:10 panels in the last 10 years and this was the case each time: 1920x1200 (vs 1920x1080), 2560x1600 (vs 2560x1440) and now a 3840x2400 (vs 3840x2160). 16:10 monitors were out of fashion for most of the last 10 years, but ar…

> In most cases that I've seen, a 16:10 vs 16:9 display has the same pixel width (the 16 part) part and more vertical pixels. So you were never actually sacrificing width as you claim. Sure, that's true for the pixels (which might also be the more important part), but the actual width (inches) is still bigger on a 16:9 (for the same diagonal).

Sure but you said that when viewing documents side-by-side a 16:9 would give you more space, when really it's the same amount of pixels, and a trivial amount of physical difference (less than an inch on a 27" panel).

I was just clarifying that this is technically true but not really a noticeable difference on that axis.

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Post by LAC-Tech »

rvz wrote: post #81
FeepingCreature wrote: post #77

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Drivers - also not great. Left up to the manufacturers, no commitment to code quality, closed source, and often comes with bloatware.

Then after all those 'problems' I should be seeing tons of users choosing a Linux Desktop distro (which one out of millions) mass migrating out of Windows by now. Why is that still not the case yet after 20 years? It seems that after 20 years, these users still do not care enough to do any of that and WSL2 has only given a reason to make backing up / migrating / wiping / installing a Linux Desktop distro even less wo…

Who cares?

You're making the presumption that more popular is better. You're also heavily implying that linux desktop users should care that it's less popular - I genuinely don't. 2022 is another year of the linux desktop for me, and I'm so glad to be off windows again.

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Post by scns »

rjzzleep wrote: post #141
nuodag wrote: post #109

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Not in this market. We're usually buying thinkads in bunches of 20 every few months, and are struggling to get any (decent ones), never mind 50% off.

Thinkpads for some reason are disproportionally cheaper in the US. A lot of countries in (south) east asia are a lot more expensive. Taiwans own electronics brands are cheaper in the US than they are in Taiwan.

With taxes?

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Post by viraptor »

githubris wrote: post #145
viraptor wrote: post #15

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If not now, likely soon. The chip itself is already supported and even its GPU is implemented since 5.15. Similar chips in other laptops don't fail entirely. https://forum.manjaro.org/t/samsung-book-s-with-8cx/52818/3 I give it another 2 months and I'd bet someone boots the basics at least. (Assuming the laptop is reasonably powerful and has enough users / interest) They mostly need to make sure the device tree is co…

That's barely even an encouraging sign. For example, where are the folks running linux on the previous gen 7cx devices?

> (Assuming the laptop is reasonably powerful and has enough users / interest)

7cx devices are not popular and I haven't seen anybody excited about them. M1 got serious reverse engineering work done because it's worth owning in the first place, but not every random Arm device will get that.

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Post by rbanffy »

pjmlp wrote: post #187
trelane wrote: post #120

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Nah. Why would I run Windows when I can just run the OS that I actually want?

Depends on how much fun you want supporting 100% of the laptop hardware.

Just get a good laptop and you'll be OK.

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Post by rbanffy »

tomComb wrote: post #179
rbanffy wrote: post #22

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The M1-based Macs are faster, lighter, offer seamless compatibility, run iOS software, have better screens and better battery life than modern comparable laptops. It's also faster than this Snapdragon chip. And starts from $999. It also runs a really good Unix OS. This laptop still won't run Linux out of the box.

> It also runs a really good Unix OS. This laptop still won't run Linux out of the box. That's misleading - these Macs don't run Linux well at all. I would love to see Linux fully and properly supported on these great new chips, but let's not pretend that is already the case.

No, but they still run a Unix pretty well.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by nathanasmith »

andi999 wrote: post #137

Who needs 28 hours of battery? I mean the big step is that you can run a an extended working day, lets say 12hours, but at least after 16 hours you should be able to plug it in, shouldnt you; best next to the bed you are resting then.

>Who needs 28 hours of battery?

A nice advantage is in a few years when the battery wears down some you'll still have fantastic all day battery life compared to most other laptops.

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