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Re: Facebook Pay

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It's surprise me how in the US and other countries there isn't any movement like Bizum in Spain, which you can pay in stores and give or receive money with other people only interchanging a phone number linked with a bank account. That service is maintained with practically all banks in the country, valid to use with any other person who also have an account, doesn't have any transaction or a monthly/periodical fee,…

There was a thread on HN a few days ago [1] that discussed a similar idea. The prevailing notion seems to be that the far larger number of independent banks in the US makes coordinating on this sort of system far more challenging. In my experience, countries with a lower number of banks (However, I wouldn't say there "isn't any movement" in the US. To clarify, what I noted above obviously doesn't preclude or justify the absence of a comparable system that supports at least a subset of US banks. Zelle may one day gain wider adoption in this fashion, and third-party approaches (such as Venmo) already handle most private transactions somewhat reasonably despite relying on ACH transfers for funding rather than first-party bank support.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30259183

Re: Facebook Pay

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From the "Security and Protection" sub page[1]. > What you buy is your business. Your transactions are confidential—and aren't shared to your Newsfeed—unless you choose to share them. So yeah. Confidentiality is defined as "not shared on your Newsfeed". Safe to assume Facebook is going to milk this data for all it's worth. There are also some other whoppers: > If there is an unauthorized Facebook Pay transaction on y…

> Safe to assume Facebook is going to milk this data for all it's worth. I'm no Facebook fan, but let's be honest. Your bank, credit card company, and merchants are all doing exactly the same thing. Perhaps the bank is regulated tightly enough that it isn't quite as bad, but the others definitely are.

My bank (eu) has ver strict privacy controls. Not least of which was me telling them I'll leave if anything spammy appears. Cc company, same. Merchants? To be fair, Ialways expect an avalanche of crap after signing something, but...nothing yet. Eu rules in general, or I just got lucky?

Re: Facebook Pay

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post #113

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Facebook had a multimillion dollar business (yes, million, not trillion, but this was solid) in the form of FB marketplace. That was the one part of FB that was super useful and if they hooked it up with a secure payment system that worked with these kinds of transactions it could have been amazing. Instead they squandered it on ads, as they always do. The platform is now unusable.

FB marketplace is pretty much the goto place for most people. For the most parts its valid users.

Users are. Listings aren’t. Most of my feed is ads for online stores masquerading as local listings. Like legit 10 out of 12 are this. You can search but you can’t just see “what has been listed lately” and their AB testing keeps changing the UI slightly so you can’t always find the right filters anyways.

Re: Facebook Pay

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I couldn’t find info if it will support cross country payments to _any_ supporter country.

Being able to send and receive money to and from friends and family without fees and using real exchange rates could potentially be the only reason to sign in to Facebook.

Re: Facebook Pay

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post #227

It's surprise me how in the US and other countries there isn't any movement like Bizum in Spain, which you can pay in stores and give or receive money with other people only interchanging a phone number linked with a bank account. That service is maintained with practically all banks in the country, valid to use with any other person who also have an account, doesn't have any transaction or a monthly/periodical fee,…

There was a thread on HN a few days ago [1] that discussed a similar idea. The prevailing notion seems to be that the far larger number of independent banks in the US makes coordinating on this sort of system far more challenging. In my experience, countries with a lower number of banks ( However, I wouldn't say there "isn't any movement" in the US. To clarify, what I noted above obviously doesn't preclude or justify…

There's a classic Planet Money episode all about how behind the US is with inter-bank transfers. The huge number of often small banks in the US did seem to be a very significant part of the problem. Here in the UK we have many fewer banks, which makes it possible to build out the infrastructure that allows almost instantaneous transactions (rarely more than 15 seconds). As far as I'm aware support for the Faster Payments system is universal. I think that would have been much harder if there had been a large number of small banks without the technical capability to roll out such a system.

Re: Facebook Pay

#236

The small print is scary, at least compared to a service like PayPal. There's absolutely no consumer protection unless you're actually buying something from Facebook themselves, and for any kind of returns or refunds the advice given is "contact your bank". Yikes.

I wouldn’t use PayPal as any kind of a reference point. They compete with themselves to be the worst.

Re: Facebook Pay

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post #26

The company, which hasn't been able to figure out the UI hell of the core product for more than a decade now must never be trusted with processing payments. Especially when you know where the data will end up, what will happen to it next and how the company makes money (98.5% from targeted ads)

I think they have figured out their UI. It’s just not for the thing you care about. It’s “figured out” to maximize revenue.

Re: Facebook Pay

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I've been waiting for this for 3 years. After using Instagram a bunch, I found the targeted ads got pretty good: most were for things I was interested in, such as tech gadgets or crafts for my kids. However, clicking on an ad and buying something was so much higher friction than the rest of the mobile Instagram experience that I often just gave up. Since then, I assumed FB must be working on some sort of payment serv…

> After using Instagram a bunch, I found the targeted ads got pretty good

I really hate admitting this, but it's been very true for me. I've come across some legitimately helpful stuff that I would never have sought out.

Re: Facebook Pay

#239

I can’t think of another company I’d want less to know my transaction and purchase history than FB/Meta. What happened to Zuckerberg’s shift to “video” or are they truly throwing anything and everything at the wall now?

I agree. The terrible thing is is that it's the easiest solution for me and my friend group to send money via Messenger. The US has _really_ dropped the ball on any sort of easy-to-use, standardized money transfer. Zelle is the closest thing and it is a joke for every day usability.

I feel like cashapp, PayPal, and venmo work pretty well

Re: Facebook Pay

#240
post #159

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since we are talking consumers here, what would it look like to a regular user? would I have to walk around asking people for their account numbers and routing numbers to FedNow them the money?

If it’s anything like Canada’s INTERAC e-transfers, you ask for the person’s email address; they receive an email bouncing them to a SAML sign-on portal with support for all major banks, which lets them use their bank to SSO into the payment system; and then the payment system uses the SSO-reflected banking details as the destination for depositing the money.

INTERAC now lets you set up auto deposit - simply go to your bank’s online banking portal and register your email and from then on any incoming transactions go to whatever account you chose. Very handy! No more “security questions”

They’re also rolling out support for phone numbers as identifiers in addition to email addresses but my bank doesn’t seem to support sending to phone numbers (or registering mine as auto deposit) yet.

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