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Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

throw10920 wrote: post #227
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #213

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It's just different use cases. Backdoors are more useful for targetted operations or specific data exfiltration, while plugging yourself to back bones is more useful for mass surveillance. I don't even see why it's controversial to hold this opinion. Reading some comments, people seems to feel offended we could think that from the USA. If anything, the USA are, with Russia and China, among the countries anybody in Eu…

> It's just different use cases. That's a hand-wavy redirection that isn't relevant to the issue at hand, which is that: There is no evidence of the US (and, in fact, many other large countries, with exceptions for e.g. Israel) installing backdoors and breaking into computers in order to steal intellectual property. There is ample evidence of China doing exactly that, against a variety of targets (not just the US - t…

I never said I had evidence, I said it was fair play to speculate all gov do the same, given they lack of morale and fire power.

Which it is.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by throw10920 »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #200
dazhengca wrote: post #194

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It’s not “fair play” to equate your assumptions and personal conspiracies to thousands of documented cases of state sponsored IP theft.

Yeah, I read those kind of comments before. But then again, we got a PRISM, XKeyscore or NSO Pegasus coming out of the box every other year. So I stand by "fair play" to qualify my assumptions.

> Yeah, I read those kind of comments before.

Just pointing it out: this is a really sneaky way to avoid providing any sort of evidence for your claims whatsoever.

But to address your claim: security and cyber attack stuff are not remotely comparable to IP theft. You'll have to do better than literally pull claims out of thin air.

And, exactly none of those incidents you mentioned have anything to do with IP theft. Your own examples demonstrate a consistent pattern of no IP theft.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

throw10920 wrote: post #229
supergeek wrote: post #212

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Around the time of the snowden leaks we learned that the NSA was installing backdoors on Cisco firewalls bound for foreign countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Systems#Firewall_backdoo... "A document included in the trove of National Security Agency files released with Glenn Greenwald's book No Place to Hide details how the agency's Tailored Access Operations (TAO) unit and other NSA employees intercept ser…

Where's the part where the US steals and then commercializes Chinese IP?

My original comment doesn't focus on the stealing IP part, only on the backdooring part.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by wlesieutre »

gigaflop wrote: post #228
wlesieutre wrote: post #53

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When buying a Windows machine, you can purchase "Signature Edition" versions through Microsoft which will come with only the crapware selected by Microsoft, and not by the manufacturer https://www.microsoft.com/en-gd/store/b/signaturepcs

It looks like that isn't available for those in the US, since the redirect takes me to a 'not available' page. Are the 'Signature Edition' versions at all available in the US?

Hmm good question, I just took what came up in Google which is apparently the "English (Grenada)" site. Maybe they've dropped this in the US.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by president »

spoonjim wrote: post #185
DevKoala wrote: post #156

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I do. Highly effective propaganda has associated the facts around Chinese trade secret stealing with claims of racism and general xenophobia. As a result, now you have plenty of individuals all over the world whose moral compass pushes them to ignore the facts around trade secret stealing and even go dispute them in online conversations.

China is using the US’s Christian sensibilities (charity, forgiveness, etc) against them.

This is true. Growing up in an immigrant community (and as a minority myself), I would always hear people mock how open and trusting Americans were and how Americans were easily cheated. Anything involving the honor code would usually be violated.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by throw10920 »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #231
throw10920 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's just different use cases. That's a hand-wavy redirection that isn't relevant to the issue at hand, which is that: There is no evidence of the US (and, in fact, many other large countries, with exceptions for e.g. Israel) installing backdoors and breaking into computers in order to steal intellectual property. There is ample evidence of China doing exactly that, against a variety of targets (not just the US - t…

I never said I had evidence, I said it was fair play to speculate all gov do the same, given they lack of morale and fire power. Which it is.

I suppose it's true that you said "speculate", because one can speculate that the sky is green when you're not looking - speculation doesn't necessarily have anything to do with reality. Fair enough.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by [deleted] »

JediPig wrote: post #110

20 years ago, china hide 2nd network card that was in listener mode, transmitting documents at random times, mostly peek. This was at a research company. How it was discovered. We put a card on listening/prem mode and mirror everything for that subnet the printer was on. I thought I screwed it up with the double mirror/traffic. when investigating why the issue, we found nothing wrong with the config, only when we plu…

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Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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01acheru wrote: post #14

Hug of death probably so I cannot read the article. Anyway that's the reason why I don't buy Chinese crap anymore. I'm not saying that I don't buy anything made in China, almost everything is made in China, but everyone should avoid Chinese crapware. If something doesn't match the description send it back, if you find random executables that you cannot identify send it back, if you are asked to register on some weird…

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Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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[deleted] wrote: post #237
JediPig wrote: post #110

20 years ago, china hide 2nd network card that was in listener mode, transmitting documents at random times, mostly peek. This was at a research company. How it was discovered. We put a card on listening/prem mode and mirror everything for that subnet the printer was on. I thought I screwed it up with the double mirror/traffic. when investigating why the issue, we found nothing wrong with the config, only when we plu…

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Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by samstave »

webmaven wrote: post #223
samstave wrote: post #158

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in ~2005 whilst I was the IT manager at Lckheed Martin's RFID division - we were implementing TLS on Exchange for all email... among other security measures... We had a compromised machine (linux) and had to un-plug it... BUT On the security calls was an interesting conversation about the Chinese infiltration of Lockheed. Lockheed, had at the time, only (3) three egress connects to the internet. The chinese did the f…

Hey, this is a really interesting anecdote, you should write it up and publish as a blog post or submit it to HN.

No thanks - the last time I did an anecdote about being on the design team to FB MLPW building and what they were doing WRT security - the legal team submitted a cease+desist order and threatened to ruin me, which they did and I have had a zero tech career since, per se...

There is so much dark in tech. Spying on all levels. Every single thing you say is now not only subject to legal action, but also dark pools of intel action...

Anyone ever notice that palantir has dropped off the HN map? Yeah...

Look at reddit driving the narratives these days... I have stories about exactly when and how reddit began to drive the negative narrative....

Fuck them all...

Reality is being coopted by ...

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