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‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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The states of Punjab and Haryana are known as the "food bowl" of India, as their agrarian economy provides a huge share of our food that India needs. The "green revolution" was quite successful in these states and made India a food surplus country, from one that used to face famine and depend on foreign countries for its food. (Despite our economically dysfunctional farming economy, India is currently one of the largest producers of food in the world).

An unfortunate side effect has been the overuse of insecticide, pesticides and fertilizers, and poor planning in the choice of crops leading to excessive depletion of groundwater for water hungry crops like rice (which is a staple food for half the country) - https://eos.org/articles/indias-food-bowl-heads-toward-deser... ... Due to this, the fertile soils are being damaged, and farmers are blindly overcompensating with even more fertilizers. The second problem that has now come up is that we are producing so much, that sometimes huge quantities of grain just rot in government storages.

So the new Chief Minister of Punjab had suggested a novel idea - if the central government were to increase their procurement price (the government is the largest buyer in India), a large number of farmers could shift to organic farming that would be more sustainable in the long run. While the produce output would be less by 25% to 40% with organic farming (hence the need of increase in the procurement price) less production can address the wastage that happens. Moreover, organic produce is said to be safer and healthier due to the very limited use of insecticides / pesticides and fertilizers, and that would make India healthier.

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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Do you have a citation? Because Wikipedia explicitly mentioned 'This was said, but it's not clear if implementation went beyond someone dreaming out loud.'

My apologies, I think you are correct! At least per Atlantic. https://archive.is/WeFj2 They hype up the Army aspect a lot in the first part of the article, but readering further it becomes clear that commerical hunting really was the main driver.

The truth is probably lost in time, or in dead tree diaries, but economics and apathy with regards to conservation do seem the more probable causes, at least for near species-wide extermination. People will do for $1 more quickly than they will for an ideal.

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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Thats a simplification for a feel good narrative. Your source lists all land that grows anything but forest as agriculture land. Yet on large parts of those areas you cant do anything but pastures. Also, much of the cow feed isnt calories humans can process. Think byproducts of soy production. The youtube channel "What I've Learned" has a great video on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5g What they dont m…

Is regenerative agriculture the new name for holistic planned grazing? (Pushed by Alan Savory) Or it's different and actually works?

Never heard of holistic planned grazing. Regenerative agriculture encompasses (among increased biodiversity) everything that combats and reverses soil erosion and the effects on ground water. So also stuff like creating silvopasture.

Not sure what you mean with actually works. There is soil erosion (it determines the value of any farmland you buy) and methods to create new topsoil. Same with different levels at which you deplete ground water. Which part do you think to be quackery? Searching a bit it seems Alan Savory made some outlandish claims about carbon dioxide?

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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For this specific discussion, why focus on inflation (price increases in a broad basket of goods) at all, when it's a specific subset that is causing the issue, and the reasons for price increases in that subset is dominated by specific causation, disconnected from the purported reasons for the broader basket. Because any fixes for the broader inflation problem would have relatively little effect on this specific sub…

...can you completely discount that rising energy prices may be due to inflationary monetary policy? A higher money supply means more competition for less resources, and if the ultimate resource in nearly every supply chain is energy than it would be sensible to think this could be the starting point of a vicious cycle, rather than sanctions on Belarus or floods in Texas.

We can't completely discount a price rise due to inflationary policy, but we most certainly can discount the portion that's over the 5-7% that most goods have seen — so, like, something like 5% of the increase due to monetary policy, and 270% due to other causes.

Is that ridiculous? Hmm. Maybe try again. We can afford to be generous, after all! Let's say that it's 10% due to monetary policy, and 265% due to other factors.

... Nope, we're still not really there.

Re: ‘Farms are failing’ as fertilizer prices drive up cost of food

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Maybe we should end the government mandate to burn corn in car engines. Biden seems more pro-ethanol than Trump, I have no idea why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ethanol_fuel_mixtures#E... In my worldview, a political issue that Biden and the EU agree on, and Trump is less enthusiastic about is probably a good thing. I don't know all the ins and outs, and would generally prefer moving to EVs, but you didn't actually mention why you're not a fan of this policy?

I don’t have a reference for this, but I seem to recall that corn ethanol in particular produced more CO2 in its production then you saved by burning it.

(Might have been a different ethanol. There are many things that can be turned into ethanol, and it matters if some are worth it and others are not).

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