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Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by zionic »

skinnymuch wrote: post #193
zionic wrote: post #109

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I’ll match your anecdote with mine. I’ve been everything from CTO to lead engineer. I’ve made sure we always pay well above average for every role because I’d rather have one exceptional engineer than 10 regular ones. FAANG on your resume is an instant disqualification.

With your remarks of you’re in control now with all the power and such. Like the other commenter said, this sounds like Coping and grand standing.

You do you brother, I’m not here to prove myself to you. Just another non existent terminal.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by sofixa »

stickfigure wrote: post #115
zionic wrote: post #105

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> Not a single interviewer (from junior engineers to directors and VPs of engineering) asked me anything remotely like "Why are you still at an awful company like Facebook?" Sure, we disqualified you when you listed them on your resume. You never got callbacks and probably blamed it on XYZ. You don’t understand, there’s a growing group of us in Silicon Valley that will never hire you if you have FAANG on your CV.

I really wish that people who let strong political opinions bleed into their professional careers would somehow flag that on their resumes, so I could likewise avoid them.

Having a moral/ethical compass isn't "political".

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by throwawaylinux »

renewiltord wrote: post #203
throwawaylinux wrote: post #90

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You hire people with two years experience out of college for $400k/yr package? Is this in SV? What kind of job, what experience is needed?

It's in SF by the Embarcadero. You will write financial trading code. I pay salary plus bonus plus other stuff. Experience: - You spent those two years becoming very skillful at some language where you can express invariants/constraints neatly, and know how to structure programs in something like Java, or modern C++ (OCaml, Scala, Rust, whatever, is fine) - You are the kind of person who spent those two years with ve…

Thank you for the answer, much appreciated -- a lot of people throw out comments like yours but won't back them up.

I'm probably not the right fit for the job, I'm happily a lowly kernel developer with 20 years experience on half the salary and not in SV/SF. But I do appreciate the answer and maybe your post leads to a mutually beneficial arrangement with someone here.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by zionic »

jruroc wrote: post #196
zionic wrote: post #149

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Counterpoint: if you can avoid it keep FAANG off your resume. I’ve always made sure to hit top-tier pay and a FAANG entry on your CV is an instant disqualification.

The overwhelming majority of companies hiring SWE's do not think this way.

Sure, and the overwhelming majority of companies don’t grow like mine do. Or sell for what I’ve exited for.

Being mediocre is easy.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by scollet »

tofurocks wrote: post #229
voakbasda wrote: post #95

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Somebody here on HN recently shared the notion that leetcode tests are a legal way to discriminate by age or lifestyle, as older and well-rounded developers do not have the time or inclination to grind on such things.

I don't understand what you mean here - would a company not want a well rounded developer ?

Harder to exploit experience.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by dnissley »

zionic wrote: post #198
hungryhobo wrote: post #183

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Dude you just sound salty at this point...

What do I have to be salty about? I’m honestly a very happy person. I’ve found some incredible people that fulfill me, and that’s freed me. I used to be afraid of what people would think if I said what I felt. Now I can say what I believe with little consequence and to be honest? Not going back.

I think it's worth reflecting on the fact that you took time out of your happy life to leave your original comment, which declared that you will use whatever small amount of professional power you have to enforce your personal grudge against a small set of companies you hate by refusing to hire their former workers.

Edit: Just realized you've left like 20 comments on this thread that are all grinding the same axe.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by vitaflo »

neilv wrote: post #184
dannyw wrote: post #85

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At some point in your career, you have the ability to simply reject leetcode-like tests. Just politely decline.

Is this the point in your career when you have so much money that you don't actually need a job?

I’ve been a dev for over 20 years and have never had to do leetcode to get a job. You either find a place that doesn’t require it (more places than you think) or rely on your network to get jobs (which is probably what OP is referring to).

No I won’t get a job at a FAANG this way, but I’m not particularly fond of megacorps.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

elb0w wrote: post #79

It always blows my mind how most interview in our field. When I first started in tech I was afraid to talk about not knowing leetcode to my peers. 15 years in and I now can confidently say I’ve yet to meet someone who thinks these are a valid metric. Why do we make this the gate keeper to our industry when we know (except for the very specific roles) we will rarely need leet code type problems. When we do we just goo…

The thought crossed my mind, that they are doing it on purpose: to make the whole experience of switching jobs as unpleasant and traumatic as possible, so that people will stick to their jobs. However a conspiracy is highly unlikely, given that there are so many players involved.

More realistic explanation: they try to make an 'American Idol' like process, this gives them the feeling of having chosen 'the best'. Now it probably takes some standardized task to do that kind of competition, as it is necessary to maintain the claim of having an objective hiring process.

I was once told, that in the olden days there was a different kind of hiring process (that was not about programming jobs, actually, they didn't have that job at the time). It would go as following: the owner would invite the candidate to join the crew for lunch, if the candidate eats a lot, then he would count as a good worker. Actually that would make a good test for 'culture fit'...

BTW, the article has a link to a free course on hiring practices, thanks for the link! https://course.jobsearch.dev/01_introductions/01_course_intr...

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by sofixa »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #179
shopkins wrote: post #145

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"Most corporations" don't do global surveillance on the scale Facebook does. It's that simple. It's not about 100% purity. Just not doing this one little, tiny, fundamental-to-their-entire-business thing.

> "Most corporations" don't do global surveillance on the scale Facebook does. It's that simple. It's never that simple. What corporations are okay to work for, in this unidimensional worldview? Exxon Mobil? Philip Morris? Pfizer? Dupont? Boeing? Nestle? BHP? Fox News? Volkswagen? Nike? HSBC? Is it okay if your employer's owners or executives have appeared in the panama papers? Are or have been on the boards of FAANG…

Everybody decides where to draw their own line. For some it's Raytheon or Bayer or Boeing, for some it's HSBC, for some it's Facebook. Doesn't matter, you can't invalidate a person's moral compass with whataboutism. There are plenty of small and medium businesses that aren't terrible.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by twy_new_fb_hire »

shopkins wrote: post #145
throwawaylinux wrote: post #108

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I know a bunch of highly skilled people who would never have trouble finding work at other companies who say they love working at Facebook. I also know a lot of people who use it and think it's a great tool for keeping in touch and communicating with friends and family and the social, hobby, interest and volunteer groups they're in. I don't personally like the company or Zuck or some of the things it does very much,…

"Most corporations" don't do global surveillance on the scale Facebook does. It's that simple. It's not about 100% purity. Just not doing this one little, tiny, fundamental-to-their-entire-business thing.

I view ad targeting as good for the world: they help make my life better by aiming me at products and services relevant to my interests and needs, sometimes when I didn't even know such a thing existed. It saves poor reinvention of the wheel in so many cases.

And FB-the-social-network is also great in theory: groups help you make friends and go deep into very niche interests. Without it, I would be a more normal, less interesting person. Now, with the join of a group, you can immerse yourself in a hobby even if absolutely nobody in a hundred miles shares that interest. It helps people go deeper on what they care about, thus becoming 'weirder' or a more fulfilled version of themselves. And helps people get ads they care about.

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