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Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Those interviewed in the article seemed to imply reading a book or watching TV was a grand pleasure. I'm disagreeing with that sentiment. I've found even a slight curve of my neck creates a lot of discomfort especially when running or walking.

> Those interviewed in the article seemed to imply reading a book or watching TV was a grand pleasure. I'm disagreeing with that sentiment. Right, but that's not really the point of the article. It's not positing a debate over whether or not people exist who would be uncomfortable curving their neck while running or walking. The article doesn't really care about that debate. It's asking whether or not people should h…

Asides are allowed on HN as far as I know.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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I really hate how we are moving more and more towards "managed experiences" in products. Used to, you would buy a product and use it how you see fit. But these days it seems that's not what the company wants you to do. You buy the product and enjoy a "managed" experience from the company. We see it everywhere with printers, coffee makers, phones, laptops, treadmills and even cars now. Everyone knows why this is being…

Want to unlock your car with the keyfob? Want to use the heated seats? Subscriptions. Anyways, please drink a verification can. Consider also reading "Unauthorized Bread".

Something similar recently happened with Toyota actually.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29667208

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Those interviewed in the article seemed to imply reading a book or watching TV was a grand pleasure. I'm disagreeing with that sentiment. I've found even a slight curve of my neck creates a lot of discomfort especially when running or walking.

> I've found even a slight curve of my neck creates a lot of discomfort especially when running or walking. Just because you personally had this experience doesn't mean that everyone does.

Certainly. And those people are free to chime in as well. But people put up with a lot of bad shit to experience something. I know I have.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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What I've read people write online is to ditch inkjets altogether and go with laser printer or use megatank printers. Don't know how better they are though.

In reality printers are such small potatoes unless you are printing like hundreds of pages a year. I got mine from an online listing for free, and I spend maybe $30 on ink once a year. It mostly exists to print shipping labels. I'd just get a printer for as cheap as possible and not worry too much about what kind it is if you are going to only use it sparingly.

Printer head cleaning can burn through quite a bit of ink if the printer hasn’t been used in a while. And sometimes my parents go long stretches without using the printer.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Suitable story, hacking walled gardens on HN. Reminds me of the Rigol DS1054Z 50 MHz oscilloscope, that you can trivially 'hack' into the more expensive DS1074Z 75 MHz or DS11074Z 100 MHz scope. Rigol hasn't disabled this hack, even though they can easily do it. They likely loose money if they do so, since customers move to other scopes. Also, some Tesla updates make the experience worse instead of better (V11 update…

The system for key validation to enable the various features on that scope [1] is actually, if I recall correctly, a well designed system using sound, strong cryptography except they used short enough keys that you can easily brute force it. That's what they keygen programs for it do.

It is almost inconceivable that they would know enough to use good cryptography but not know that they needed long keys, so a lot of people believe they intended for it to be easy to hack.

One theory I've heard that makes sense is that this is for price discrimination. Your hobbyist user, buying a scope to figure out what is going wrong when they try to talk to their humidity sensor with their Arduino, is not going to pay an extra couple hundred dollars to get the protocol decoding add-on. Paying $400 for the basic scope is already near their limit. So let them have all the features--it makes the Rigol scope more attractive to those users without really costing Rigol anything.

So why not just include all the features without requiring keys to enable them?

Because people using the scope for business will pay more for them. That's because if they use a keygen program to enable them and use the scope to design or test some product, and later something goes wrong with that product and someone gets hurt and they find themselves being sued, they don't want to have to deal with how a plaintiff's attorney would try to spin that in front of jury.

Sure, it would probably not be hard for the defense to respond and explain that the scope behaves exactly the same regardless of whether the key was purchased from Rigol or came from a third party keygen program, so you might think no harm would be done by plaintiff bringing this up.

However, civil trials have time limits on how much total time each side gets to present their case and to rebut the other side's case. If defense has to take time to educate the jury on the whole Rigol key system and how keygen programs are safe, that's time they don't have for other things.

I've seen that kind of thing happen. I was a witness for a plaintiff in a suit. Early on, defense was able to find something totally minor but that looked bad if you didn't know the details of state tax and corporations bureaucracy [2]. It took them 2 minutes to use that to make us look dishonest. It took much longer the next day to explain all the details to counter that. For the rest of the trial, we were short on time and had to drop some things.

Later, when I was on the stand defense asked some questions about a particular piece of software the plaintiffs developed. They asked detailed technical questions and I answered them. Then they said "play the video of tzs's deposition from ". On that video I was asked the same questions I had just been asked in court, and answered that I had not worked on that software and didn't know the answers. Defense then said "no further questions" and walked away.

I expected our lawyers to then ask about this, so we could explain why I apparently was either lying my ass off in the deposition or lying my ass off a few moments ago, but they didn't. They later told me they were short on time, and decided that having the jury think I was a liar was less of a problem than dropping the other stuff they would have to drop to deal with that.

So why the apparent discrepancy between my deposition and my later in court testimony? The deposition was 100% correct. I had not worked and that software and didn't have any deep technical knowledge of how it worked.

Later however, I was designated as the person on our side who would be answering all technical questions about our software. This would cover all our software that might come up in the case, not just what I had worked on. So I spent a considerable amount of time after that deposition studying the source for such software, and by the time of the trial I was able to answer deep technical questions concerning it. (Which defendant was fully aware of, by the way, since between my first deposition and the trial, there was a deposition where I appeared in the role of expert on all our software).

[1] Besides doubling the bandwidth, there are keys for expanding the amount of memory, adding advanced trigger options, adding protocol decoding for various useful protocols like I2C and RS-232, and I think some other features that I'm forgetting.

[2] Briefly, when you paid your taxes you got a receipt from the state revenue department. You were supposed to file a copy of that receipt with the state corporations office. Someone failed to do that. If one then queried the corporations office we were listed as having not paid our taxes.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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It's a tangent, but it's incredible to me that people used to ship video games and other software on physical media and it worked fine. Now you can drop a big turd on the steam store initially and it's just business as usual. Cynicism aside, I really do admire the dev and QA teams that pulled this off. It's such a different world now.

I've read somewhere that it wasn't always the case that something worked flawlessly on physical media. Things are way different now.

Indeed. The old MacAddict magazine shipped a CD with every issue. The CD contained loads of shareware/games/utilities/productivity software etc.

The CD also had a folder named "updates and patches" where you could find installers for the latest bug fixes of the most popular MacOS software.

CDs bundled with monthly magazines was a valid conduit for getting patches to users at the time.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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My take is not nearly as strong as the fsf's. I'm fine not being provided with source code, and not being able to distribute the original code itself. Basically - I don't expect to have companies hand me code they wrote to run the device (I happen to like it, so I tend to support companies that do), but I don't believe that's a reasonable (or particularly useful) practice when so many functions depend on external web…

> My take is not nearly as strong as the fsf's. Your take is much stronger than that of the FSF. The FSF advocates for people to choose free software, and for governments to not force people to use non-free software. You say that non-free software (i.e., software for which you don't have the key) should be illegal. The FSF has never advocated for such an extreme viewpoint.

> You say that non-free software (i.e., software for which you don't have the key) should be illegal.

I don't think I'm saying that.

I'm saying that hardware sold to me should be usable by me without company approval. I should be able to unlock any bootloader/bios/flash that the vendor does as a part of normal repair or operation. Basically - if it has RAM, I should be able to write to it. If it has ROM the company flashes from outside the device - I should be able to flash it from outside the device.

In many cases you could simplify this to - I should have root access on any computing hardware that supports software with the concept of root access (and it's a surprisingly large amount these days)

I don't mind the company not sharing tooling or documentation. I certainly am not asking for non-binary source code. I think you should be able to sell software as a service just fine (I don't own that hardware, you do) - but I'm opposed to a company being able to intentionally sell a product that contains a cryptographic software lock that prevents the owner from later taking advantage of that hardware.

basically - I'm much softer on the requirements, but I'd prefer they be enforced.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Normally you can block any device's update if you figure out the server for the update content/update check, and block it out from your router and/or DNS.

The "solution" for that will be embedded 5G connections.

Amazon sidewalk, actually. Should prove cheaper and work near any sense housing.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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> You save… uhhh… one power outlet? A power tap block is $3. :)

Yes, but a cheap treadmill + $3 vs a $4000 treadmill? Kind of a hard sell. Like I’m going to have to go pick up the power splitter myself? I don’t have time for that

There this awesome new website called amazon.com and they will actually bring the stuff you order right to your house. It's kinda crazy.

Edit: /s obviously. I was responding to a joke with a joke.

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