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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by grujicd »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #214
weinzierl wrote: post #201

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The Spiegel article [1] additionally claims (and supports with screenshots) that the 7371999-259039 certificate reported a negative result at a previous point in time. Unfortunately there is no way to verify that, but still: Any ideas how it could be explained? [1] https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/novak-djokovic-we...

They claim that they got both negative and positive results yesterday, which almost has to be user error or a software bug. Even if someone at the Serbian health agency had write access and were dedicated to helping Djokovic, why would they want to change the results a week after he landed in Australia? (A bad table join could easily cause this, although I'm not sure why that wouldn't have caused larger issues in Ser…

Even I made a mistake here in this thread and pasted Novak's url instead of mine. It's very easy to make user error when copying long urls with numbers in them. Especially when you want to check and recheck two QR codes.

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Post by bondolo »

"the whole world is talking about the test certificates of a tennis player right now"

No, I don't give a shit about any tennis players and am tired of celebrity and sports activities being "news". Very few people actually do care, let those people read/watch niche media sources if they want to do so but don't make it part of the mainstream news. I would be perfectly fine if I never heard another tennis (or golf, or hockey, or football) story in my life. If a story affects nobody or very few people and has no advisory or actionable element then it doesn't deserve to be part of international "news".

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by Scoundreller »

hammock wrote: post #205
Scoundreller wrote: post #104

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… which is a good argument for antigen testing (as your entire pre-entry testing regime, or in conjunction with a positive PCR history). The other difficulty (impossibility?) is in segmenting the chronically infected vs those that are just working out the remnant junk of their recovered infection.

You mean antibody, not antigen?

No

(I’m not ruling out any value of antibody testing, just saying I did mean antigen)

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by ArnoNym »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #105
alexk307 wrote: post #23

I honestly don't even care if he's vaccinated or not. He's one of the best Tennis players of all time, and if he wants to be unvaccinated, he should have the right. However, he doesn't have the right to provide a fraudulent test result in order to enter into a country with its own rules, and a Tennis tournament with its own rules. Covid or not, vaccine or not, this is a scummy move by one of the world's most influent…

Martin Luther King, Jr.'s comment in his famous letter from Birmingham Jail: "One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." It's up to ever single individual to interpret what is just and what is unjust, with all its consequences. I, personally, find that the restriction is stupid, doesn't bring any benefit, and would have no…

The tricky part is how to identify what is an unjust law. If each individual is free to make that decision and not bound, that is the absence of a state, that is called anarchy. The consequence is not freedom, because those who have power will rule anyway. Therefore in a democracy the power to determine what is just is vested in the legislator and the power to apply those laws is vested in a government that responds to the parliament that put it in place and the power to oversee the application of laws lies with independent courts, the judges of which have nothing to fear and nothing to gain in adjudicating a case. Don't like that system? That's calling for a revolution. To me, that's the wrong path. I prefer to live with the bad decisions or compromises a government makes instead of fearing the gangs and guns in my neighbourhood.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by Scoundreller »

nradov wrote: post #218
Scoundreller wrote: post #211

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> A vaccination requirement wouldn't do anything to control the spread of every new variant It may increase it by selecting the un-protected strains. > it doesn't prevent infection or transmission Source? We’ve (largely) vaccinated our way out of other diseases. I haven’t heard of any outbreaks of mild measles or mild rubella and I suspect it’s because vaccination gets the R lower.

The COVID-19 vaccines are far less effective than measles and rubella vaccines. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

The mRNA and viral vector vaccines are great at their targets. The targets have changed, but our vaccines haven’t.

If we end up with measles2 and rubella2, I wouldn’t be surprised if my measles1 and rubella1 vaccines weren’t effective.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

kklisura wrote: post #115
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #85

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It's not unusual to have to wait for one or two days for the PCR test results. Same day tests are more of an exception in most of the Europe. If he didn't have any symptoms, and was doing PCR test regularly just to be sure, he had to reason not to go to the gathering.

He received the PCR test results within 7 hours on the 16th. https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1480448426332413953

It says results were issued / ready, not that he received it.

And given they were ready at 8pm it’s quite possible that the guy that makes Djokovics mail account was long gone. It may even have landed in the Spam folder if he is using Gmail (happened to me once).

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by ls15 »

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #215
ls15 wrote: post #127

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Maybe, but it also is an unprecedented privacy invasion at mass scale. Medical data used to be protected private information. At least in my country. Now everyone and their grandmother is entitled to be informed about personal medical details. It leaves a bitter taste.

It's totally anonymous the only thing that makes it identifable is you telling someone else your url. It's fine.

How do you use the certificate for free movement without giving away the url to people that you don't know?

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

interactinghash wrote: post #154
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #77

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That's precisely what Herr Drosten, German top virologist and a member of state anti-Covid team suggested, to get infected after second shot to get a permanent immunity with a low-risk profile. Unfortunately, Germany bought too many vaccines, and they need to use them all to be able to buy even more.

I've never heard of Drosten saying something like that, could you provide a source?

https://www.rtl.de/cms/virologe-christian-drosten-wuenscht-s...

In German. It was heavily discussed back in the time, can’t find it now since I’m on mobile.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by grujicd »

pajowu wrote: post #227
grujicd wrote: post #223

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I have 2 more datapoints. My wife went with me to the testing on the same date. If you're negative on rapid test, they usually take PCR as well. Since she was negative on the first one, there was a PCR too. These are her QR urls: Rapid test: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=16415703349MJ... Timestamp: 1641570334, time: GMT: Friday, 7. January 2022. 15:45:34 PCR: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?c…

Hey, it'd be great if you'd reach out to zerforschung at hallo@zerforschung.org :)

I've sent a brief email with links to these posts. Let's see if they publish a correction!

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by ls15 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #182
ls15 wrote: post #127

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Maybe, but it also is an unprecedented privacy invasion at mass scale. Medical data used to be protected private information. At least in my country. Now everyone and their grandmother is entitled to be informed about personal medical details. It leaves a bitter taste.

But only if you decide to give them access. By default no one except you and the professionals who work in testing have access. Also positive test information for infectious diseases can always be expected to be disseminated.

How can you use the certificates without giving people access. Why aren't these people authenticated before they can access the data, so it can be traced back? Which measures are implemented in order to protect the data from abuse?

I have a vaccine cert that works like this. How do I know that none of the countless people who had access to that by now did not leak the data into some ad tech database or are using it for other nefarious purposes?

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