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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by crisdux »

simonh wrote: post #184
crisdux wrote: post #153

Lots of people in this thread are arguing the "do the vaccines reduce spread thing" as justification for or against this policy. I don't think that even matters. These vaccines have risks that are not being opening discussed. There is an unprecedented systematic campaign of censorship, deception and propaganda aimed at people who question anything about these vaccines. Vaccine injuries are real. The performance of th…

There have been extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines, both during their trials and after public use, and these studies are continuing. The regulators on several counties including the US have even publicly registered concerns about several of the vaccines, particularly the J&J single dose vaccine. None of these studies have been suppressed or censored, and they are ongoing and I see debate about them goin…

There have not been extensive studies. The original long term safety studies from the vaccine trials were stopped. There are huge issues in the original trials, they were not done with the rigor that we've come to expect from previous vaccines.

There are plenty of examples of people who have disagreed with current vaccine policy and them being censored or destroyed- and have the bills to show for it! We even have emails from leaders of the federal government that show they engage in these tactics routinely. Honestly I don't know how people don't see these tactics being played every day.

Your "side" is led by a man who claims "he is science" and anyone who disagrees with him is "disagreeing with science." Give me a break.

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

xienze wrote: post #126
darknessmonk wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccines reduce spread because of lower viral load. Also reduces severity. Antivaxxers can be execrated for all I care - dumbest way to enforce your freedom

> Vaccines reduce spread because of lower viral load. Also reduces severity. And yet, case counts have never been higher than now, a year into vaccines and infections. Ah, but Omicron you may say. Well doesn’t that imply that the vaccine isn’t terribly effective against that strain? Yet the answer seem to be “just keep getting more injections of the same vaccine formulation.” Perhaps one or more of our fundamental as…

Even in omicron, vaccinated people are less likely to catch Covid than unvaccinated people. It can be simultaneously true that vaccinated people are less likely to have Covid and that Covid vases are rising due to a highly infectious variant.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by MiroF »

PopeUrbanX wrote: post #30

Good. Take away their free healthcare, too, so that they stop taking up ICU beds that smarter people might need.

No. People are stupid along many different axes.

I am not in favor of sentencing people to death just because their stupidity happened to lie on the vaccination axis, while other stupid people get to live.

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Post by peteradio »

scott_w wrote: post #124
kif wrote: post #75

I can understand why the push for vaccines even though they don't stop spreading and catching it. They seem to improve chances of survival and lessen chances of severe disease. That said, if the government takes away benefits, then it should give back all the taxes withheld on one's salary before it does that. On another note, personally I don't see any other solution to the pandemic, other than everybody/most people…

> they don't stop spreading and catching it Not true, they do reduce infection and spread. > That said, if the government takes away benefits, then it should give back all the taxes withheld on one's salary before it does that. That’s not how government, taxes or being part of civil society works at all. > personally I don't see any other solution to the pandemic, other than everybody/most people gaining some kind of…

> vaccine gives stronger protection

Maybe if youre boosted and its been 14 days but not greater than 45 days. But citation needed anyway. Natural immunity was not totally bypassed. South Africa kicked Omicron's ass with regard to case fatality rate.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

kolanos wrote: post #193
micromacrofoot wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you seem to be ignoring the fact that we’ve ended up with 2 variants that are more contagious… with the purpose of implying vaccines are to blame? complete nonsense

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-pr...

ok now where’s the link that provides evidence of this happening with covid? or are you just guessing?

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Post by [deleted] »

LaunchAway1 wrote: post #172
kstenerud wrote: post #50

To clarify for non-Canadians: EI benefits are generally only given if you lose your employment through no fault of your own (didn't quit or get fired). What this policy does is clarify that losing work hours or your job due to vaccine refusal after a workplace vaccination mandate (outside of medical exemptions) does NOT count as "through no fault of your own", and instructs employers to indicate as such. So: For the…

That's an interesting point to make and defendable but these declarations mentioned in another comment, I will assume to be true, coming from Trudeau, Canada's president: “They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" I have taken both shots, and will take the third but these declaration…

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by pen2l »

kstenerud wrote: post #230
guidovranken wrote: post #58

In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

Edit: Whoops, Privacy Badger had deleted the embedded video. Check that if you're not seeing it. OK, so he said that we all know people who are hesitant to get the vaccine and we'll be considerate of them, but there is also a small group that is unequivocally opposed to the vaccine (who don't believe in science, who are often racist, mysoginist etc). About them we have to make a choice: Do we tolerate them, or do we…

There is a video in your first link. Trudeau does in fact say that, though in French (and as someone who speaks French and has just listened to the first-hand recording, yes, the translation is more or less correct).

I'm inclined to give him more leeway than the rest of the commenters here, as I think the unvaccinated do need to be censured, and in developed countries where information is abundant suggesting that it is safe and everyone should take it, it is increasingly unforgivable and intolerable for folks to be unvaccinated. As someone below quite aptly said: "If they want to ‘protect’ themselves from the vaccine they have that right, absolutely, but the rest of us also have the right to protect ourselves from them."

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Post by iqanq »

ukj wrote: post #203
iqanq wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am responding to your comment - you say that asserting your rights by not taking the vaccine won't end the pandemic, while I am saying that taking it won't end it either.

Almost as if reducing mortality/hospitalization is an irrelevant metric to you. Almost as if an abstract social construct as “rights” is more important to you than actual health.

Yes, personal freedom is to me infinitely more important than the health of others.

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Post by finite_jest »

LaunchAway1 wrote: post #172
kstenerud wrote: post #50

To clarify for non-Canadians: EI benefits are generally only given if you lose your employment through no fault of your own (didn't quit or get fired). What this policy does is clarify that losing work hours or your job due to vaccine refusal after a workplace vaccination mandate (outside of medical exemptions) does NOT count as "through no fault of your own", and instructs employers to indicate as such. So: For the…

That's an interesting point to make and defendable but these declarations mentioned in another comment, I will assume to be true, coming from Trudeau, Canada's president: “They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" I have taken both shots, and will take the third but these declaration…

FYI, Canada does not have a president. Trudeau is the prime minister. However, you are right in that his quote (which I think was in French originally) is just awful name-calling.

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Post by axiosgunnar »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #57
PopeUrbanX wrote: post #30

Good. Take away their free healthcare, too, so that they stop taking up ICU beds that smarter people might need.

I would like to push against moral judgement being used to determine if treatment should be offered at all. (To be clear: I’m a fully vaccinated and boosted person that masks consistently.) My understanding is that the field of medicine is heavily against this because they have historical cases where moral judgement to deprive care have resulted in human rights abuses and medical neglect due to bigotry. It might end…

I agree with this comment and am fully vaccinated as well, and would like to just comment on the

> (To be clear: I’m a fully vaccinated and boosted person that masks consistently.)

Dear COVID scientogists, if you engage in a public discourse where your opponents have to write a disclaimer like this to prevent getting downvoted, you have failed at civic discourses and even if all vaccines were 100% effective and had 0 side effects, your behaviour would still be abhorrent.

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