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Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by KptMarchewa »

epolanski wrote: post #185
____________g wrote: post #18

I have been waiting for good external Retina displays for years . That the situation has not improved after all this time is incredibly frustrating. Why is no display manufacturer [0] interested in setting itself apart by producing and marketing a lineup of reasonably priced external pixel-doubled (~200 ppi) displays? For some reason everything must be 16:9 and 4K with no regards to display size, resulting in some ve…

The monitor market as a whole is pretty underwhelming. TVs and mobile/portable devices get lots of attention. But pc monitor they are very far in manufactors priorities.

Focus is on 1) gaming, where response time and high frame rate is more important than high resolution, and 2) regular offices, where price is more important than any other feature.

Add to this fact that manufacturing displays is a costly affair, so there are no "artisinal" choices.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by BoorishBears »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #171
urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

Someone could also buy a really nice monitor for $2k and donate the other 2k to a local food bank. A lot of people are struggling and hungry.

What if I buy a $5k monitor and donate more than that, are you satisfied then?

Why turn this into a morality play?

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by dylan604 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #169
peanut-walrus wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I call bullshit on the $4000 scissors. The very very highest end goes to $1000 and most hairdressers use scissors around the $100 mark, which are still extremely good professional tools. Furthermore, if you have a very expensive pair of scissors, you are not going to be sharpening them twice a day... More like twice a year (and you take them to a professional, you don't do it yourself) .

I got in to sewing recently and none of my cheapo scissors actually worked for cutting fabric properly. I spent $20 for a two pack of fabric scissors at the fabric store and they work great. I can definitely see how $100 scissors would be just fine! Also sharpening twice a day sounds more like a ritual than a real need. But what do I know I’m not in that industry.

Sounds like they cut the hair of people with hair like mine. My old hair dresser used to joke about needing to get her shears sharpened every time she cut my hair.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by wtallis »

setr wrote: post #222
wtallis wrote: post #202

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A current-generation $500 MSRP GPU is actually selling for no less than $900, and it's not due to inflation or the pandemic—it's due to cryptocurrency.

I thought crypto’s impact on GPUs largely ended, as they moved into far greater cost/efficiency ratios provided by ASICs? Is it for the non-bitcoin cryptos?

Yes, bitcoin mining has long been unprofitable on GPUs and is low-profit with ASICs. But most newer cryptocurrencies are designed specifically to be hard to make affordable ASICs for, usually by requiring GPU-like memory bandwidth. If you participate in a mining pool like NiceHash, your GPU will likely end up being put to work mining something like Monero but the pool will pay out in bitcoin.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by thebean11 »

brandonmenc wrote: post #67
henvic wrote: post #60

I really wanted the 27-inch LG UltraFine 5K ( https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27md5kl-b-5k-uhd-led-monit... ), but I heard many complains about it not being as reliable as you'd expect, then I decided to get the LG UltraFine 4K ( https://amzn.to/3qs2pFW ) a little over a year ago, and I don't regret at all spending so much more for a display, than I'd normally expect to. Now, I want to update to Apple's Pro Display…

I have owned the LG 5K UltraFine monitor for 6 months and it's the greatest thing ever. I will never go back to 4K. I drive it with an OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock with CalDigit Thunderbolt cables and a maxed out 13" 2020 MacBook Pro, and as of the latest version of macOS Big Sur it is rock solid. It's mounted on a monitor arm, so I can't comment on the included stand.

How is the OWC dock? I just got the CalDigit, but super disappointed that the monitors often don't reconnect on wake from sleep.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by vvoaterr »

dylan604 wrote: post #226
vvoaterr wrote: post #198

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Regarding ridiculously-expensive Apple heirloom tools: Go to eBay right now, and buy any Activation-Locked Apple device. It's OK, I'll wait. === ==== OK, now: try to use it to do something. Anything. Something as simple as write a NOTEPAD note, or play one song from iTunes. === ==== Nope! You are surely getting screenfulls of information telling you, this Apple device has been locked and only the original owner can u…

> It just sits there telling me I'm practically a criminal I mean, you bought stolen goods. The law says you are culpable to some degree. If this was a legit sale, the original owner would be willing to do what's needed to make it useable.

The original owner dropped it off somewhere when his YouTube app stopped working, which probably happened years and years ago.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by random314 »

henriquez wrote: post #212
washadjeffmad wrote: post #160

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The startup dude with the Embody and topped out M1 Max with four roommates mates is such a meme today, though. That's because it's incomplete. A $5k screen is not so much a tool of the trade as an accessory for someone signalling themself to be valuable or valued. More commonly, coming to own these things is the result of little professional envy. Our software engineers spend all day developing. They sit in $2-300 ch…

I use a Pro Display XDR with my MacBook Air because of people like you who write long posts about how dumb it is.

You showed him!

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

BoorishBears wrote: post #232
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #171

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Someone could also buy a really nice monitor for $2k and donate the other 2k to a local food bank. A lot of people are struggling and hungry.

What if I buy a $5k monitor and donate more than that, are you satisfied then? Why turn this into a morality play?

> What if I buy a $5k monitor and donate more than that, are you satisfied then?

I don't believe you would actually do this or you wouldn't make that comment, but either way don't do it to satisfy me.

> Why turn this into a morality play?

As I said, a lot of people are struggling and hungry. The point of the comment is to inject a little reality in to the idea that a $4,000 monitor is "worth it" because someone is at the computer a lot. But the marginal happiness of an HN user buying a $4,000 monitor instead of a $2,000 is very low, and there are other ways to spend extra cash. If you have extra money right now, consider donating it. It's cold outside and people need help.

Why get upset anyway? I think I made a fine suggestion. Someone could do what I suggested. Or not. You don't have to do it if you don't want to.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by hintymad »

urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

I'm quite curious how much your hairdresser charges you given that he uses a $4000 pair of scissors.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by gumby »

minimaul wrote: post #106
xyzzy123 wrote: post #96

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Some work tools get treated like capital or heirloom and some get treated like consumables . Scissors or a hand plane are decent "heirloom" items. Potentially you can retire with the same one you started with, or pass them down. Electric drills start to lean toward consumable. Battery tech changes over the years and they do wear out in non-fixable ways. Screen and computer tech advances so fast that 5 years is a "goo…

This is a good comment in general, but: > I think it can still make sense, but very often when people buy the premium in computers or displays they are getting the same thing everyone else gets 30-50% cheaper 1 year later. I'd normally agree, but the article's point is that this isn't happening with displays - we're stuck at 4K as the best available except for a handful of displays that are still expensive even years…

I got one of the 4K ones last year and it was the same price as when introduced. The only price reduction was due to inflation.

I assume the desktop monitor business is so low margin that it’s barely worth investing in these days.

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