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President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

stelonix wrote: post #159
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US embarrassments, however, have movies made about them, as opposed to burying them as deeply as possible whilst simultaneously threatening every single citizen with, essentially, removal from society, if they speak against the chosen narrative. No country is innocent, some are, however, free (moreso, at least, enough to matter, enough to choose if the need arises).

Those movies are more often than not glorifying such embarrassments, which make them propaganda. As an analogy for China & the US, you can say one of them is Orwellian while the other is Huxleyan. They're both oppressive, but it's about time to stop pretending only coercion is bad; propaganda is everywhere in american media and it's the same tactic used by autocracies in the 40s: spin everything you do as "us vs them…

Two that come to mind are The Big Short and The Trial of the Chicago Seven.

Two movies in a rich fabric that give me no confidence in the reality of consequences of bad behaviour that my parents drilled into me since I was born.

Both movies give me the impression that no lessons have been learned by either experience.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

mcv wrote: post #213
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #136

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> They EU isn't your audience, and lawyers that confirm you're in compliance (or not) are expensive. The GDPR is one of the easiest pieces of legislation I've ever read. And the answer is: no, basically nobody is in compliance.

Everybody who doesn't collect personal data about their visitors is perfectly compliant.

Indeed.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by gmadsen »

toxik wrote: post #110
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #93

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“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ~ George Orwell, 1984

Whenever you think that you’re on the outside looking in, seeing the world for what it is while others seem blind, you should reconsider your perspective. The Chinese people is not some herd of sheep without mental faculties. I wince when I see quotes like these spoken about a people of literal billions.

I'm beginning to think this is an intentional tactic made in bad faith. Criticisms of the CCP are not criticisms of Chinese people. This was used two years ago regarding the cover up by the CCP of the Wuhan Lab.

Direct parallels can be seen in US discourse regarding the actions of the Israeli government being equated to antisemitism.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by gorgoiler »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #162
gorgoiler wrote: post #125

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It’s a form of purity spiral where the consensus on acceptable behaviour becomes narrower and narrower as peope try to out-compete each other on who is the most virtuous, or in this case who is the most careful about nonexistent GDPR risks.

> or in this case who is the most careful about nonexistent GDPR risks. Parent comment is convinced the site is doing something that would be illegal. You are convinced that the site’s GDPR risk is non-existence. It’s amazing how many people sitting on the sidelines can be so confident about GDPR while having entirely opposite opinions. But my point stands: This stuff is complicated and requires sign-off from the law…

With respect, your assertion that these 451s serve a useful purpose does not match up with my experience of seeing them in the wild.

In fact this is the first one I’ve seen that isn’t being done as a protest.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by jmull »

vesinisa wrote: post #104
jaclaz wrote: post #83

Thanks. Only for the record, the message I get from EU: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact help@purdueexponent.org or call 765-743-1111. Maybe it…

Can't help seeing the irony that the censored document is a declaration by the publisher about how strongly they are committed to freedom of expression in international context.. CORRECTION: As other have pointed out, the publisher is actually the student newspaper, which is independent from Purdue University itself.

The letter is from the president of Purdue, while the web site is a news site that is independent of the university.

Also, it’s not really censorship — they have to deal with the GDPR headache, one way or the other, just like everyone else. Simply blocking the EU is a blunt but simple and effective way of doing so, and makes decent sense for a site where the interest is 99% local.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

asimpletune wrote: post #197
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #151

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My commentary is (intended to be) more about how effectively it's been triggered than any particular group of people's susceptibility to it. The effectiveness of the execution of it. Plenty of groups of Western folks get super amped up over any threat to the continuity of their chosen self destructive, unhealthy, unsustainable lifestyles to which they've become accustomed. Because freedom!

Plato talked a lot about this. It's very easy for politicians to feed people things that they like but aren't good for them, and this is the normal course of affairs in history. It doesn't really mean anything bad about the USA in the great picture, because we're no different than the rest of the world. That being said, good things happen when "divine providence" (or whatever) produces leaders who feed the people thi…

Education is the silver bullet. But...

You can bring a horse to the library, but you can't make it read

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by bubblethink »

dogleash wrote: post #189
bubblethink wrote: post #112

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Right, but surely they have resources at the school if they need technical assistance. It's a university. Just find any CS major and they'll tell you how to set up a website.

I don't know about you, but when I was at school I didn't have much luck getting randos from other majors to do free work for me. I collaborated with some EE and ME students on personal projects, but they were 1) more interesting than GDPR and 2) friends.

I don't know how this newspaper works, but typically the team itself will comprise students from different majors, seniority, etc. So it's not a question of begging for help or money.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by mytailorisrich »

gtirloni wrote: post #201

I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…

May they simply did not want to be put on the spot by getting into a political argument. Arguably you brought up a topic not suitable for a social dinner with colleagues.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by someguydave »

stelonix wrote: post #159
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US embarrassments, however, have movies made about them, as opposed to burying them as deeply as possible whilst simultaneously threatening every single citizen with, essentially, removal from society, if they speak against the chosen narrative. No country is innocent, some are, however, free (moreso, at least, enough to matter, enough to choose if the need arises).

Those movies are more often than not glorifying such embarrassments, which make them propaganda. As an analogy for China & the US, you can say one of them is Orwellian while the other is Huxleyan. They're both oppressive, but it's about time to stop pretending only coercion is bad; propaganda is everywhere in american media and it's the same tactic used by autocracies in the 40s: spin everything you do as "us vs them…

There is no way you can truthfully say that the US went to Iraq to murder an ethnicity. Flagged.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by colinmhayes »

Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

Completely disagree with your portrayal of consequentialism. Freedom absolutely provides utility, and allowing the government to disappear people who disagree with it is in no way a path to maximizing utility.
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