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Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by derekp7 »

grumple wrote: post #199
pfortuny wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So long as you live in a city you are probably forgetting most of the ways to survive. I could not even try to discover which berries are edible without killing myself. However, I can teach advanced maths to a largish group of students without much trouble.

But you could probably devise a scheme by which you feed all of your students an assortment of berries and figure out which ones are safe based on which students get sick or die.

You are close. You first rub the berry on your skin (or leaf, or whatever). Wait 24 hours to see if a rash develops. Then you taste it, wait another 24 hours. Then you eat one, and see if you get sick after another 24 hours. Now you can eat several, and build up from there.

Yes, that is a lot of time to go hungry and testing just one item. And then you still don't know what actually gives you nutrition vs just not killing you (for example leaves that you can break down such as leaf lettuce, vs eating grass).

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by swiftcoder »

lordnacho wrote: post #183
clavicat wrote: post #145

We are barbarians occupying a city built by an advanced civilization, marveling at the hot baths but know nothing about how their builders keep them running. One day, the baths will drain and anyone who remembers how to fill them up will have died.

Surely we are way past the point where someone knows how the whole thing works, all the way down. I doubt even a very skilled engineer would know how his own machine works all the way down. What I think happens mostly is the skilled dev can use his experience to know where to investigate and where to look for solutions. The question is organisational. Might it be that certain orgs have gotten so convoluted that they…

> I doubt even a very skilled engineer would know how his own machine works all the way down

Knowing how it works, and being able to build a new one, are also two very different problems. For example, there are plenty of Computer Science folks who learned how to design chips (layout the circuits, write the microcode, etc) - but you need a whole extra background in EE and Physics to be able to fab said chip...

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by johnisgood »

hericium wrote: post #48
TekMol wrote: post #41

It is surprising that their status page is down too: https://status.aws.amazon.com Their CDN, CloudFront, always works reliable for me. Couldn't they put the status page on CloudFront?

Works for me. It's the usual static page with everything green.

Maybe it is just a static website. Do they even have CSS for red? :D

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by avs733 »

albatross13 wrote: post #144
avs733 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if you really dug into most company's tech stacks, how many of their support tools (e.g., PagerDuty) are reliant on overlapping cloud providers.

Oh man, it is insane. During the aws incident last week we couldn't build software because bitbucket pipelines were all down, due to them running lambdas in us-east-1 only haha. We've taken a massive turn away from a "decentralized" internet.

it's still decentralized...it's just a centralized version of it right?

just like Cavendish bananas are grown in multiple places...

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by [deleted] »

yawnxyz wrote: post #197
qeternity wrote: post #137

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> I'm curious — what does Hacker News run on? It seems impervious to any kind of downtime... On a dirty, disgusting dedicated server.

> On a dirty, disgusting dedicated server. I'm adding "reliable" into that mix. Too bad they're too expensive and hard to setup for side projects, but HN is probably one of the most stable site I frequently visit, and I don't even think about it.

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Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by chasd00 »

tyingq wrote: post #85
jrs235 wrote: post #30

I checked their health status page. All is good. /s https://downdetector.com/status/aws-amazon-web-services/

They did add an update, faster than last time: "7:42 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-2 Region." https://status.aws.amazon.com/ Edit: They added US-WEST-1: "7:52 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-1 Region." Edit: Found root case, maybe? "8:01 AM PST We have identified the root cause of the Internet connectivity to the US-WEST-1 Region and ha…

someone tripped over the fiber run i bet. Or, a cleaning person unplugged a router to plugin a vacuum (that actually happened but to a minicomputer iirc)

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by iJohnDoe »

jrs235 wrote: post #157
tyingq wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did add an update, faster than last time: "7:42 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-2 Region." https://status.aws.amazon.com/ Edit: They added US-WEST-1: "7:52 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-1 Region." Edit: Found root case, maybe? "8:01 AM PST We have identified the root cause of the Internet connectivity to the US-WEST-1 Region and ha…

Seems to be resolved now. And seems they hid / took away any mentioning of possible issues. Sigh.

That is a shame. Anyone coming in after the fact to investigate an outage or glitch with their systems will need to look harder to find a known AWS outage. We can’t assume everyone looks at HN.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by JshWright »

tyingq wrote: post #85
jrs235 wrote: post #30

I checked their health status page. All is good. /s https://downdetector.com/status/aws-amazon-web-services/

They did add an update, faster than last time: "7:42 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-2 Region." https://status.aws.amazon.com/ Edit: They added US-WEST-1: "7:52 AM PST We are investigating Internet connectivity issues to the US-WEST-1 Region." Edit: Found root case, maybe? "8:01 AM PST We have identified the root cause of the Internet connectivity to the US-WEST-1 Region and ha…

It's interesting that west-2 was quicker to create the incident (despite the issue starting a bit later there, at least by our experience), and while they both "identified" at the same time, west-2 also waited longer to call it resolved.

I assume there are different teams responsible for each, is the west-2 team just more on top of things?

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by wrycoder »

tzs wrote: post #210
clavicat wrote: post #145

We are barbarians occupying a city built by an advanced civilization, marveling at the hot baths but know nothing about how their builders keep them running. One day, the baths will drain and anyone who remembers how to fill them up will have died.

Many years ago I stood at the window of my comfortable apartment, watching wind and cold rain rage outside. I thought about my cave men ancestors who during such a storm if they needed water would have to go out and get it, getting themselves soaked. If I wanted water, the tap in the kitchen would give it to me, in a nice controlled fashion. If I did feel like having water rain down upon me, my shower would do that,…

At least the cave man could go out and get water. Or have some reasonable expectation of finding food. Good luck!
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